Does down-shifting use more fuel?

Discussion in 'Questions To Truckers From The General Public' started by Robert Gift, May 1, 2011.

  1. ac120

    ac120 Road Train Member

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    The put-it-in-neutral-and-coast advocates should get in touch with the people who design automatic transmissions. Those trannies don't drop into neutral when you tap the brake pedal; if coasting made sense, they would. Coasting is dumb. Coasting on hills is specifically illegal in some states. You don't have control. You save nothing. You accelerate pad wear because you're putting all your braking on the service brakes. Maybe you wear out clutch/gearshift lever/auto trans by constantly shifting into neutral (JK -- sort of). Why work that hard?

    Using Jakes (or exhaust brakes or transmission brakes) to slow down and to add braking power to service brakes is not "wearing things out." That's what Jakes are for. That's why they were invented. That is why they're called auxiliary brakes. They're durable. You don't not use machines or tools because you'll wear them out. The more braking ability you have, the better. This is so simple even a caveman ...

    Coast to save fuel? How much? Five gallons over the life of a vehicle?
     
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  3. Brickman

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    More along the lines of 5 teaspoons in a million miles... :biggrin_25523:




    If that.
     
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  4. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The coasting theory is on par with the idea of turbo3000.



    You can bet your bottom dollar if it really saved fuel and wear and tear the big companies would be all over this idea like stink on poo.

    They aren't and it don't.
     
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  5. ac120

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    :biggrin_2559: Okay, so I exaggerated.
     
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    Don't forget drafting big trucks to save fuel.
     
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  7. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

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    In 8 pages I haven't seen one mention of this: being in gear all the time happens to enable you to immediately accelerate if needed. Coast and that option is off the table while you're fishing for a gear. Could come in handy if you need to swerve around something because you can't stop fast enough. Oh wait.. that would be being in complete control, right?

    :D
     
  8. ac120

    ac120 Road Train Member

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    WHAT HE SAID! (yeah, I'm yelling :biggrin_2559: )

    Here's a test. Get on a flat place. Accelerate a bit. Take your foot off the gas pedal/throttle. Shift into neutral. You start to roll faster, don't you?
    Engine RPMs will drop but have nothing to do with the speed of the vehicle.

    Now stop. Accelerate again and take your foot off the gas pedal/throttle. Leave 'er in gear. You start to slow down, don't you? That's compression, even in a gas engine, and that's why shifting into neutral is a waste of time and effort.

    Whew! Are we there yet?
     
  9. Robert Gift

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    To savexpen$ive fuel, aircraft do not use reverse thrust when not needed.
    They are slowing from 200 mph over thousands of feet, not from 45 mph over several hundred feet.

    In 7 pages, no one has explained the physics of why brakes only (for slowing to a stop, not downgrade) is a bad practice.
    A trucker admitted he does coast and brake but added that it is in violation of Federal Regulations thathe truck be always "under control".
    (Nowill reads posts subsequento the one here.)
     
  10. Robert Gift

    Robert Gift Light Load Member

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    Not discussing limiting speed on downgrades.
    Th.is about coasting and braking to a stop sign or red signal.

    Now a trucker says that simply dropping the transmission into neutral (not using the clutch) does save fuel and engine revs and wear and tear.
     
  11. lostNfound

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    Shutting off the truck and coasting on downhill sections saves fuel too, but only a complete moron would do that as well.
     
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