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Look you can do what you want, and you already know that. Just look up the rules yourself or ask safety, OOIDA any of the big names. I had a guy tell me that he ran one day for 12 hours PC then the next day 13 hours PC, and the ELD counted all that time as off duty for his 34 hour restart. I told him my truck lets me run 85 mph is it legal?

 

There is a word that is used - REASONABLE - that means not driving 12 hours off duty with a trailer behind you.

I know a few cops here would look at that ELD, declare you being in service but falsifying the logs and put you out of service for 34 hours PLUS write one hell of a ticket.

As one said to me a few weeks back, the FMCSA didn't come out with a reg, so if it isn't a reg, and the state doesn't have an enforcement guideline, then it is open to interpretation in the field.

 

No, it doesn't say that AT ALL.

The guidance you quote is related to leaving a shipper or receiver after a full shift and running out of hours. It pertains ONLY to that situation.

PC related to personal use (shopping, restaurants, motels, recreation etc) is a restful activity. Same as going mountain biking, or jogging, or sport sex...... your off duty time may be spent any way you choose. The truck is no different that driving your personal car during your time off.

As I mentioned, we have had MULTIPLE driver inspections this year, where we log over an hour of PC driving to work, and then about 6 hours of off duty work and off duty driving under the Ag exemption before we ever go on duty and start our clocks All out in the open on the ELD, all completely legal and compliant, and all clean inspections.

And that's Oregon and Washington inspections, to boot......

 

Some people cannot be confused with the facts because they already have their mind made up! You may be fighting a losing battle.

 

I gotta ask... Just what is sport sex?
Are there goals to strive for? A point system for specific positions or what?

 

Look I said it over and over, if I'm wrong, start logging 5 hours sleeper and 5 hours PC, its ALL the same right???? Start logging driving your personal car PC, all the same right. NOT.... FMCSA made a line 5 for a specific reason, to keep tabs on that CMV, not your car, not you time off at home, but the CMV. It can't be more clear than that. Also for people that disagree with me, if you take a split berth, next time log 4 hours in sleeper and 4 hours off duty, see how that goes for you. Must be 8 hours in sleeper, how? continuance 8 hours, not 4 in sleeper and 4 off duty. PC was made to get a driver out of a bind, nothing more nothing less. Go from truck stop to beer run, legal... Go visit a friend... legal.. Go get a oil change, NOT legal, advance the load, Not legal. Its made to get you to a safe space or to a restaurant, or bathroom, yes bathroom. Not to drive thousands of miles. Yes you can PC to work and start your on duty at the yard, legal.

The reason it clearly states up to the LEO discretion, is because FMCSA didn't want to put a mile or time limit not knowing where you were going to start and finish. They are not there to make sense of what you drove, but a LEO is, he patrols that area, he/she would know if what you drove makes sense. Lets say you leave a shipper out of hours, run under PC, you drive 30 miles to the nearest rest area, its full, how does FMCSA knows that it full?? they don't, but a LEO would know you had to drive that extra 50 miles to the next rest area, perfectly legal. If FMCSA put a limit , by the way Canada says 47 miles tops, that's it, that's all you get, you might end up in a worst situation that you started in.

When you drive your car,pickup truck, mini van, its all off duty. Notice FMCSA has no say, and they shouldn't have a say, you are off duty, period. You don't have to log period, not your location, not the time, not the miles, nothing , nada, zilch. Now tell me if PC is the same as off duty, why do you have to log, location, miles, time?? if you are on ELD, it's done automatically for you. There is a difference, thats is why they added line 5, they need to keep track of that truck 24/7. All miles must be accounted for, period. The carrier would know this, the driver not so much. Try this, next time you want to move the truck, under PC, put yourself in the sleeper then drive, ELD would allow it, so it must be OK, right? wrong. ELD would allow it but its not legal. Or just disconnect the ELD tell your company you are off duty they have no business seeing where you are, you are off duty, correct? Next time you run out of hours just go to PC drive few hundred miles, if you get stop, just tell officer freight must get there, I'm off duty you can't write me up, the ELD said it was ok. Command sense people, nothing but command sense. Some people just look for trouble.

 

You not making any sense. Who is gonna put sleeper when they are at home? Who is gonnaa put 4 hrs sleeper and 4 hrs off duty when doing an 8 hr split? Law clearly states what you have to do.
And who else is saying all this?
Only ones who puts a limit on pc are companies.

 

No I am making sense, now we both agree, from your statement above, that there are different levels of off duty. Off duty at home, off duty in the sleeper and off duty PC. All off duties but logged differently on logs, line 1, line 2 and now line 5. Now if you do your research you will find out PC is line 5 and is used to go a "reasonable" miles/hours to a safe parking place, beer run, friends house any thing that is not job related. It is not used to go from Laredo TX to Kentucky to get home.

 

Ok this should settle it once and for all. This is right from FMCSA 2018, couldn't get fresher than that. And the beauty about it it is audio, very short, couple of minutes. Listen to this and then come tell me, honestly tell me , I make no sense. Look I'm a driver also, when DOT stops us they are not there to give us cookies and warm milk, they are there to grab our hard earned money. We are in this together, why are we fighting each other as we are the enemy? We need to stick together and help each other out. I come here to maybe help others not get busted for what I got busted.

Did you know that if you have your GPS/phone on a suction cup on the windshield and it is above the dash, in the travel path of the windshield wiper, you can get written up? Three different states got me, one of my drivers and my wife. Also did you know that your mud flaps must be so many inches from the road in TX? might be other states also, I just know about TX, ask me how I know.

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You might want to see this, right from FMCSA. Couldn't get clearer than that. If your company allows it then go with it, but if you get stop and put OOS or written up, then that's on you. Just here trying to help fellow drivers.
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