Double Trailers; Heavier Trailer before Lighter Trailer 23 CFR

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by moloko, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    I think the above poster's key operative word, is "slightly more." And the assertion that both trailers must be loaded, is also correct. That is for safety reasons. The loaded front trailer counteracts the force of the rear trailer. I believe it would be incorrect to state, that if the rear trailer is fully loaded to 2000 gallons in the front compartment, and the rest is fully empty; this would rise to the level of "slightly more" heavier than the power unit. In my choppy calculations, the weight of that 2000 gallons of fuel is about 12300 pounds, and compared to an entire gross vehicular weight of about 23000 pounds--we see an increase of roughly 60% of the entire truck's weight, in that fuel compartment alone. Which, I believe , is unsafe because the forward-moving inertia from the heaviest compartment is now the dominant force in that equation.

    Objects in motion, tend to stay in motion. For example's sake, a 25,000 pound object being "pulled" by a 12,000 pound object is, for all purposes, not being controlled by the 12,000 pound object. The 25,000 pound object wants to continue in a straight line, down the highway. Or , it wants to sway around. In any case, the feeling is that this trailer is now pushing the truck around, "leading the way" so to speak. But someone can fact check me, if you do indeed have facts.
     
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  3. okiedokie

    okiedokie Road Train Member

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    So I didn't read all the posts. But there's a reason you pull heaviest as the lead box. It's science! You can do it but I sure the heck would not want to be in the cab.
     
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  4. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    I'm the OP on this one, and I couldn't agree more. It's just obvious common sense, I'm just having a difficult proving it
     
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    Tried finding my old employee handbook but I had no luck. It was ALWAYS load the rear compartment first and unload the first compartment of the trailer first. I have heard stories of rollovers when the driver loaded the first hole of the trailer and say the rack went down and they had to leave to go to Kinder Morgan for example. I also heard of a rollover IN a station with the same situation you have described. I cannot recall if it was in that handbook or not.

    Now, I'm in a set of tanker doubles as you know. It is common knowledge to unload the rear trailer first bc we often do split loads between plants. You don't wanna go down 280 or 880 with a loaded rear trailer only. How they don't realize this is beyond me.
     
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  6. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    Oh I hear you brother. I am on this like white on rice. They don't realize this, because they don't have driving experience. They are so screwed dude, and maybe I'll tell you more about it in a PM since i'm making myself look crazy on this public forum.
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    You ever see Pee Wee's Big Adventure? And you know how he gets every single member of "the town" to gather together in that basement for a town meeting about his stolen bike? He becomes disillusioned and starts presenting exhibits A through Q until he goes completely insane.

    " The mind plays tricks on you. You play tricks back! It's like you're unraveling a big cable-knit sweater that someone keeps knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting and knitting..."

    Then this one guy finally interjects and says, we've been here three hours. A long time we wait Pee Wee.

    This is how I'm getting with this situation about the retain in the rear trailer , with an empty truck. The mind plays tricks on you!!


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    moloko Road Train Member

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    Exhibit A. This is a picture of me immediately before I was told to pull an unsafe load. Note how happy everything was.

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    Exhibit R. This is a picture of me when I learned that I was being forced to drive an unsafe load. The grim realizations that I would soon be confronting my boss, were dawning on me. I look at myself in the mirror, and feel disillusioned. I no longer recognize this man in the black and white photograph. What does this have to do with anything? I DON'T KNOW

    AND KNITTING AND KNITTING AND KNITTING
     
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    moloko Road Train Member

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    Welp I guess we are all on the same page then.

    We should try to hijack this thread, and convert it into a random, off-topic thread. I was hoping to find someone to disagree with, and then we could make a series personal attacks on each other from the safety and comfort of our computer screens. This should happen until the post gets locked GO!
     
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  9. Air Cooled

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    Your a dumb ### for living in California. And tankers are stupid.
     
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  10. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    I hate you personally. If this was taking place on Facebook, now would be the time when I click on your profile picture, and hate you for the way you look. Look at your stupid avatar. "Save Water." Who needs to save water when the Oroville dam is about to bust. DUMB
     
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  11. Air Cooled

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    Haha well played sir
     
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