Due Process & CSA2010?????

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by DsquareD, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. truckerdave1970

    truckerdave1970 On Probation

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    Who has access?
    Only those people that you give permission. Of course, no one will hire you or insure you without access to that info!
    Of course this "score" has impact! A higher score will lessen your odds of getting or keeping a good job as no employer will knowingly hire an "unsafe" driver as it will have an impact on their "safety score"!
    Also what insurance company will insure the driver with a higher number? Or they will just keep raising the rates on those drivers that have high scores until they can no longer afford insurance and are forced out of the industry.
    I suppose that's not the same as being convicted of a crime or having your license revoked or a fine levied against you but, it accomplishes the same goals.
    That is how the lawmakers get around the Constitution. They aren't depriving you of your rights, but by keeping this info, and making it possible to be used against you, private industry will take away your rights and it's completely legal.
     
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  3. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    How long until OOIDA sues on this??
     
  4. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    My guess would be that once a member is denied employment due to a CSA2010 score, that is clearly identified as such by the carrier, and the DataQ system is exhausted. The only alternatives are wating it out, or going to court.

    Actually that shouldn't be too long. The initial set of CSA2010 scores at my carrier included a group of long-term drivers, who are considered by the safety dept. to be exemplary safe drivers, whose CSA2010 scores were very high due to accumulated warnings. These guys are not in danger of loosing their jobs, but...

    There's no recourse for these drivers if they move on ard are denied employment. Surely some of this group includes OOIDA members - are also represented in unemployed drivers at large.

    OTOH, this could be one of the issues that is delaying deployment of CSA2010...
     
  5. flatbedder

    flatbedder Medium Load Member

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    Are drivers going to suffer due to a companies lack of maintenence on the equipment? Or is the drivers point system based just on their driving record? It'd be awful unfair if the driver got a bad rap for the company they drive for having sub-par equipment:biggrin_25511:
     
  6. DsquareD

    DsquareD Road Train Member

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    Yes, drivers will have to force companies to fix equipment, which means they won't work that day... or the next. Some companies will fail and all those drivers will be unemployed.

    So there you are. This is also another way to nudge small trucking companies out of competition.
     
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  7. truckerdave1970

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    Which is one of the goals of the ATA, who supported this garbage from the beginning!
     
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  8. wsyrob

    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I think I will start a DATA Q company. Mark my words, when this thing kicks off that will be the only way to get something changed. There will be companies that will instantly spring up claiming to know how to get things changed in the system. They will make a lot of money.
     
  9. Markk9

    Markk9 "On your mark"

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    How is this bad? I have no use for anyone that takes equipment not road ready and gets caught.

    This is one of the things that us, drivers as a group should have fixed. But no, all we did was complain to each other and still take the equipment on the road. We failed at self policing, now we the government to help.

    Mark
     
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  10. DsquareD

    DsquareD Road Train Member

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    I agree with you, but it is going from major problems, like brakes, to the petty, like a single clearance light not working... Oops, there's another point.
     
  11. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    You know we're not going to get "drivers to stand together as a group." It comes down to the individual facing down the company, and saying, "I won't accept this." That takes some moxie in the first place, and it may result in the response that either you take the equipment out or loose your job. It's not like driving jobs are just falling from the skies these days.

    CSA2010 may fix some of that, holding the bottom-feeders responsible for this. Meantime, the legacy of all the years that they squeezed-by on the backs of the drivers is still with us in the form of old tickets and warnings. Nor does it help that the main goal of law enforcement quite often seems to be padding the government revenue stream, rather than rational enforcement of laws leading to a safer highway.
     
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