Due Process & CSA2010?????

They are on the driver's record for 3 years yes, but the point for the violations, even for drivers, only last for 2. After 24 months that violation no longer counts towards the driver's total, but it is still viewable on his record.

 

Sigged that.

About sums it up sometimes, though I do somewhat agree with what they are trying to accomplish with CSA, it's HOW that really irks me.

 

Well, the scores are relative, or comparative, in nature, especially in the beginning when no one really knows what the spread of the scores are going to be. Until they get the system up and running for all the states, and they get enough data in to calculate the mean and median scores, they can't really identify what is a good or a bad score.

I mean, the first company to break 50 might be a really good one, but maybe they just had a bad run or had a ton of inpections for some reason. It'll take time for the scores to REALLY mean anything. I just hope that DOT realizes that.

Not sure accidents will even show up on CSA 2010 unless an inspection is done. That makes me curious though how that works, time to ask someone who knows.

 

I was told got a "red flag" at Covenant according to my CSA 2010 score review. Called Safety and was told DOT gave me a score of 15.... Will see Safety in person next week and bring all my paperwork...
I want to see if he can show me how DOT came up with 15 points.
I guess DOT is using a ticket I got last year (for restricted lane... and speeding warning) on a Level 3 roadside inspection report.
I fought that in court and was not charged... So, I still have zero points on my CDL... But CSA is different.
I guess they will count any violation even those we were not charged...
Will find a lawyer and see if I can fight this in court too.
Hope everybody does the same.

 

from my understanding they will go back 3 years and warnings will earn points as well

 

due process? o you have due process alright thing is in order for you to use due process you have to have the money and time to hire an attorney and take it to court, if you were abel to take the time and spend the money to do that most of these regulations you could easily beat in court BUT do you have the time and the money? and don't think for a minute that these people don't realise this thats how they get away with all the kindrgarden reulations, another point for big brother and it's only going to get worse.

sure we got some bad drivers out there , its not a perfect business and never has been and never will be there is just to many out here and all can't be good but more rules and regulations are not the answer i still say that a legislater that knows nothing about a truck period can not in any way make them safer but BIG brother knows best, yeah right .

but before you can do anything encluding take them to court you have to be charged first then if and when you get an attorney and take it to court you can beat it but unfortunatly it takes time and money and most out here just don't have either.

best of luck to all were going to need it . southernpride

 

EOBR and CSA 2010 phooeey.. Ain't even in effect but I don't see the big deal if it was..
Say a good reliable o/o has a crap score for whatever reason.. Depending on the state he's based in he might get a safety audit.. Given the abundance of overly complex regulations fmcsa already has in effect in contrast to the serious lack of qualified inspectors, most states are broke, about all I can see csa2010 doing is causing the mega-carrier's drivers more grief..
Big fleets are worse than fmcsa.. They're hollerin "safety first" and have their own "safety department" but then they all have some third party answer machine phone number on the back of their trailers.. WTF??? :smt075

I mean any company that needs to have their own "driver mill" to fullfill their driver shortage is a dead give away.. Experienced drivers that didn't attend "cdl school" know better, and those who take pride in driving a truck for more than just a paycheck don't even like parking beside the "other type" much less work for such outfits.. And I realize that alot of the members here work for these mega-fleet companies and may not have alot of choice..

Now gettin to my point.. When refering to bottom-feeders, especially on this board, it often seems this term is used in describing some company policies that don't always reflect what's in the rulebook, and for whatever reason that don't necessarily mean they're unsafe or a bottom feeder.. It's hypocricy at it's finest for any truckin outfit or driver to promote this politically correct new definition of the word "safety" while claiming they're in total compliance with all this garbage.. :smt064

The fact is companies are in buisness too make profits and isn't possible or practical to think that any truck driver knows every law in every state..
If a driver spent all his free time educating himself it'd still be impossible to be aware of every revision to every rule in every jurisdiction..
So you goody two shoes types don't go pattin yourself on the back to much just yet thinkin that you're all in compliance and shoutin to the rest of the world how you've always run legal.. If you're driving you're playin cat and mouse too on some level.. It's guaranteed there will be a guy with a badge that'll make you aware of your crimes sooner or later.. Probably sooner.. About the time I start thinkin my ducks are in lining up seems I find some ball buster somewhere with a fresh new ticket book wantin my autograph.. Usually happens for me in Tennessee..
And I've yet to meet the guy who pulled over and took a ten hour breaker when he ran out of hours a few miles out from his home or destination..

As for EOBR's, until all mechanical engines are prohibited, which will never happen, and the accuracy of electronic equipment is far more reliable in the environment created under a truck hood, what's the point of requiring faulty equipment.. Besides, nothing of this nature will ever stay tamper proof over a long period of time anyway.. :smt117

Driving will never be a "safe" profession either, no matter what regulations are put in place.. :smt009 It is what it is..

I've been around this so called truckin "industry" all my life, and I swear every time I look back at the way it was back then, the way it is now, and the way it looks like it's gonna be if this crap keeps up, it's embarassing really..
Makes me wish I was from another generation every time I think about it..

The "pussification" of America is what it is, and it's not limited to truckin either, it's so very sad and depressing.. Really it is..
Think I'll go vomit now..

 

Just another way the government is taking away rights and liberties....

 

Nothing new about that...

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled. That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or prevent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing, or executing his trust or duty: and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise, or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot, unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanour, and on conviction before any court of the United States...

An excerpt from the Sedition Act of 1798.

http://www.constitution.org/rf/sedition_1798.htm

 

You are a "professional" in name only to the trucking industry, it's help make yourself feel better. To the government and most people you are unskilled labor.

Mark