E-log vs time clock

Well, this person has been a multi-truck O/O for 15+ years....and told me that was a new learning for him too...

I'm not in position to argue with him, but he's been running hard (read: illegal) for a while for a major "lease-to" operations that being audited and just recently jumped ship to a different lease-to outfit.

 

Absolutely wrong, as soon as you clock in, you log in. What they have you all doing is absolutely against regulation.

 

I agree with you some drivers get their whole week pre planned and this would mean that they're never off duty. Sounds like bad info to me too.

 

@nb629....u know what?...that's a very good counter argument.

I'll present it and see what he says.

 

Sounds like somebody is confusing rules here.

You can be dispatched and immediately relieved of duty.

You can be dispatched to your regular location of work and not have to log your personal vehicle drive time or time in-between.

You can be dispatched to a location or terminal that is not your usually reporting location of work, and be required to log that time on-duty, provided you did not take a 10 hour break between driving your personal car and going to work.

Several years ago the rules read that if you were waiting for dispatch, that time waiting had to logged on duty. No one ever did that because you would consume your 14/70 with out pay, waiting for the dead heads in the front office to get off their ### and get you a load. So that rule was amended.

What the OP is discussing will catch up with companies some time in the future, but for right now the FMSCA is just pushing to get the eLogs in every truck so they can start auditing like the OP is anticipating.

 

I was going in that direction. What if they tell me to be at work at 3:00 in the afternoon at 8:30 in the morning? I start 6 1/2 hours in the hole? Smh!

 

Interesting problem. Now if you are local you could end up in the "local exemption" territory, rendering all logs unnecessary and you would go strictly off the time clock (I think?). But the local exemption has such a long list of stipulations that I never even mess with it.

I was actually in a similar situation with my last job as a yard jockey. I was paid off the time clock and ran paper logs which I matched to the time clock. But occasionally they would send me on runs to stores to fill in for the road drivers as needed, and they used e-logs on tablets. So i would punch in, spot trailers for say four hours, but then log into the e-log and have a fresh 70/14 on the tablet, but only ten on paper. I just couldn't get management to understand the issue and after much head shaking and face-palms, finally gave up. That's what happens when you have non-cdl desk jockeys running the show.

 

That doesn't make a lick of sense. You haven't accepted the load legally until you note as such on your logs.

 

Not to get into an augument but the 100 mile short haul exemption is not that complicated. Pretty simple actually. From FMCSA's "Interstate Truck Driver's Guide to Hours of Service of 2015.pdf found here: https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drivers_Guide_to_HOS_2016.pdf

What Are the Primary Exceptions From the Logging Requirements?
*100 Air-Mile Radius*

You are not required to fill out a log with a graph grid if you come under the 100 air-mile radius exception (see p. 3 for explanation of “air miles”). The 100 air-mile radius exception applies for any day in which you:

• Drive within a 100 air-mile radius of your normal work reporting location,
  
  
• Return to your work reporting location and are released within 12 consecutive hours, and
  
  
• Follow all other basic hours-of-service rules including the 10-hour off-duty and 11-hour driving requirements.
  
  Your motor carrier must keep time records of the times you report for and are released from work each day, and the total hours on duty each day. You do not have to have these records in your truck.
  
  This exception is optional. For example, you and your employer may choose to use a logbook even though you are within the 100 air-mile radius, so that you do not have to be released from work within 12 hours that day.
  
  The motor carrier that employs the driver and utilizes this exception must maintain and retain for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing:
  1) the time the driver reports for duty each day;
  2) the total number of hours the driver is on duty each day;
  3) the time the driver is released from duty each day; and
  4) the total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with Section 395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.
  
  This regulation is found in Section 395.1(e)(1).
  
  I recommend every new driver, or any driver who doesn't understand the HOS, download the pdf. I found it to be much more helpful than the fmcsa.dot website.

 

Not sure what hat elog you have... But you should be able to edit all I xcept drive time note the time you click in and out and edit your elog to match same for when you slip seat... Should work?