So 2017 Cascadia glider with a 1998 epa engine, however engine is made in 2017.
So is the truck exempt from elogs or not?
Eld in a glider
Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by Speedy007, Sep 28, 2017.
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Technically yes should be exempt because engine was built in 98 ?
But if that engine is a Detroit reman from the factory then it goes by that build date. I'm assuming it's a series 60?
So I would think the powers to be might have a problem with that -
Yes series 60 factory reman
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I'm in the same predicament. I got a 16 western star with a reman series 60. Valve cover has build date on it 2015.
Even though the engine was manufactured in 99 -
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That's what I did.
You give the original serial # to Detroit and they tell you it was remanufactured in 2015 .Vio Thanks this. -
It has nothing to do when the engine was remanuafactured. It is the model year that is the criteria that determines whether or not you must run an ELD.
All of the examples cited above are all model year 1998. They are exempt from the requirement. The thinking at FMCSA is that trucks built before model year 2000 had connectivity problems and decided to make that cutoff. And in July they published the revised rule regarding glider kits or any truck with an engine with model year before 2000.
There are several other threads dealing with the issue -
I would not go by your engine model year. There has been no new rule published since the ELD rule was published. In that rule it clearly says "vehicles manufactured before model year 2000 are exempt." What they did do, and has confused a lot of people, is issue guidance to the rule saying it will go by the engine model year. Again, there has been no revision, only further guidance. If you think the rule has been revised to include language regarding engine model year then provide the link to the appropriate issue of the Federal Register, then I'll believe it.
There is a big difference between guidance to a rule and the rule itself. The rule itself is essentially law of the land while guidance is just that, guidance. At the end of the day and to enforcement officials, all that matters is what the rule says in the Register, anything else is just a suggestion. It says vehicles before model year 2000; Meaning, you need to look at the VIN number of the vehicle and if the VIN on the vehicle indicates a pre 2000 vehicle, no ELD; if the VIN on the vehicle is 2000 or later, and this includes gliders which are new vehicles, you must run an ELD. Furthermore, if you are basing decisions around guidance to a rule, as I stated earlier is not binding on enforcement officials, and you put a motor in a new Glider not capable of running an ELD, you just built a truck incapable of compliance and you'll be S.O.L.
The link to the rule:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2015-12-16/pdf/2015-31336.pdf
Go to page 5, first bullet point left column.
This rule has not been revised; only guidance has been published by the FMCSA since. Do not base your decisions around guidance or you're going to get burned. Here is an example of what some above have commented,
TransComply | Trucking startup & compliance
Notice that even in this article they call it guidance and not a revision to the rule itself. Guidance is not law of the land. All that matters is the language of the rule itself.Last edited: Sep 30, 2017
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So if your vin is a 2000 your not good?
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