ELD mandate protest are underway in Washington DC

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  2. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    And they still have yet to figure out they are protesting the wrong thing. If they would get around to protesting hos they might get move than a dozen trucks out there.
     
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  3. cessna177

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    I dont get it, they protest because they won't be allowed to cheat any more. Poor babies.
     
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  4. Gunner75

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    Their new argument is that it will cause undue hardships on small businesses
     
  5. Chasingthesky

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    You say cheating like all laws aren't completely arbitrary and made up. Sometimes for good reason, like that whole "don't kill people" thing but still. Most people I've seen defending the ELD uses extreme examples to make their case. Like truckers driving 20 hours straight or some nonsense. When you do that, nobody takes you seriously because that is, as I mentioned, an extreme example. It very rarely happens.

    Most people can live with the HOS so long as there's a little gray area. They can park three deep by the Cat scale and move later without interrupting their break. Back into a door at the shipper after 3 hours without resetting their 10. Predominantly minor stuff. Not to mention the hassle companies like FedEx and UPS will have to deal with, switching between driving and on duty multiple times per hour just hooking up doubles.

    If you're for this absolute black and white, does your conviction carry over to every aspect of life, especially your own? I mean, it would if you weren't a hypocrite. Let's make all cars unable to break the speed limit, no matter what. Keep cameras on you at all times so you're justifiably ticketed for any and every minor infraction of the rules you may commit during the day. Don't jaywalk!
     
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  6. nax

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    SMDH...

    Where were they when the Emissions Systems were introduced.... That's a real hardship

    OR

    Why are they not screaming at EPA when ULSD fuel was mandated? That caused a lot issues with old motors

    14/11/30mins-b4-8hrs rules dont change with ELOGS vs PAPER, so its not the device that's an issue...but hey, they wanna find scapegoat for taking low rates and losing out (so they have to run illegal to make up the loss)
     
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  7. Chasingthesky

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    I think you're fighting a losing battle there. That ball is going to keep rolling no matter what. When you think muscle cars, what come to mind? Late '60's, the heyday? Probably, because emmisions came along in the early '70's and performance went to s###. Except that a new Honda Civic SI is within about two seconds of a 1969 Chevelle SS396 in the quarter mile. A Civic, not a performance car, on par with one of the baddest cars of that era. I guarantee you the Civic handles better too.

    Changes are going to come where motors are involved, you're not going to stop that. The first gen is going to be s###, maybe even the second and third gen, but if you charted motor performance over the course of time since the beginning, it'd look like you were pulling Cabbage.

    Focus on other things because that ain't your winner
     
  8. pattyj

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    Its much bigger then that.
     
  9. nax

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    My key point was: the "hardship argument" is weak. There have been other REAL TANGIBLE hardships that I can think of and ELD aint one of them.

    ELD's replacement are cheap; Emission's system failure & fix? Not cheap, Seals replacement due to USLD fuel? Not cheap

    Again, Im focusing on negative effects of the "mandated" action, not the action itself

    You can always ague that the MAN-HOURS lost will lead to reduction in earned $$$, but the counter argument is: HOS is the issue, not the tool to document the HOS

    Be up in arms about HOS, then I'm all in.

    I did not see anyone up in arms regarding Emissions & USLD
     
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  10. Chasingthesky

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    Yeah, I always thought the cost argument of ELDs was BS too. If you can't afford one, your business is very poorly managed. Wait until you blow a tire in the middle of nowhere without a spare, that's expensive
     
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