Fifth wheel position

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by feldsforever, Dec 15, 2019.

  1. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    As already mentioned. Close to the cab. Less wind resistance. Better fuel mileage.

    Perfect position is whatever gets you 12,500 pounds on the steers. Adjust to that and leave it there forever. Unless you're pulling a drop deck or something to that effect trailer. Where you'll have to slide it back enough to not rub the mud flaps on the trailer landing gear.
     
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  3. feldsforever

    feldsforever Road Train Member

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    I did not realise there was this much info on it. I am greatful I asked. Thank you to every one who responded.
    Other than this position. I've never hit over 12,200 on the steers but I've also never seen over 12,4. And it's always a dry box.
     
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  4. Long FLD

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    I wouldn’t change the position then. Keep the weight on the steer axle.
     
  5. MACK E-6

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    If your steer hits 12K at roughly the same time your drive tandem hits 34K, that’s ideal. Just watch your mudflaps relative to your landing gear, and the corners of your trailer on turns. No contact at 45 degrees of bend means it won’t hit.

    Also, be mindful of kingpin setback if you pull different trailers. Some trailers have the oddball kingpin further back from the nose, which would require sliding your fifth wheel back.
     
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  6. Roguefox

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    Slightly off topic but I have heard it is better to "pull" a load rather than "carry" it. Meaning that if possible put more weight on the trailer axles than the drives. This could only apply to flatbed since the trailer doesn't really have any air resistance.
     
  7. MACK E-6

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    That would be a negative,sir, at least in my experience.

    Try and imagine driving a dump truck vs a tractor trailer. If you’ve ever driven a dump truck you’ll find them very top heavy by comparison. That is what you’re describing.

    You always want your powered axles heavier than the dead ones for traction to pull them.
     
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  8. Roguefox

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    TYVM, I had no firm belief one way or the other but what you say makes far more sense than what I heard before.
     
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  9. HoneyBadger67

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    Imagine carrying 50# in a backpack vs pulling that same weight in a Radio Flyer.
     
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  10. Roguefox

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    Well using that analogy the radio flyer is better. I am not supporting the weight and moving it, the wagon supports it while I only have to provide the energy needed to move it. Probably why wagons were invented in the first place.

    I do support the better traction and weight distribution reasoning.
     
  11. Long FLD

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    It’s easier to haul a load than pull a load.
     
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  12. snowwy

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    Flatbeds have less wind resistance. Yes.

    But put a load on and now it the worst wind resistance.

    You want your drives heavy as possible. Traction.

    Think dump truck and pup.
    Some drivers are actually dumb enough to dump the truck first. And now they're stuck. The pup is still full and now weighs more then the empty truck.
     
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