Food Delivery Robots does this make you worry

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  1. CorsairFanboy

    CorsairFanboy Medium Load Member

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    We'll be obsolete and they'll find the way to get rid of us. It is not like they have not done so before..


     
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  3. WildTiger1990

    WildTiger1990 Heavy Load Member

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    Guls carriers one of the best in aviation right now disapprove you message :)
     
  4. kranky1

    kranky1 Road Train Member

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    Whether the crew was trained to turn the computer off or not really doesn’t change the fact that a ####ed up sensor made the computer fly the plane into the ground. A few times. They sold an aircraft to haul people in that obviously has the ability to fly itself into the ground. I doubt that was the aircrews idea. That’s all on Boeing.
     
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  5. Shackdaddy

    Shackdaddy Medium Load Member

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    Yeah it took 2 crashes for them to get it fixed.
     
  6. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    If it provides better service and is cheaper it will happen whether anyone wants it or not. Just because someone invents something doesn't mean we are all destined to use it. Just because someone can imagine something doesn't mean it will be invented. I'm not shooting Santa Clause, I telling you why I don't believe EVERY idea someone wants me to believe. I remember when Expert Systems were going to put every doctor, manager, and engineer out of business. 5 years later nobody knew what that meant.
     
  7. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Dude, turning off the systems that aren't working as expected is much of the job of a pilot. The aircrews that were told before a sim session "there's a device that can apply nose-down trim to aid in avoiding a stall, turned off that system faster than the pilots that didn't know that systems was on their "aircraft". The second aircraft to crash, which quickly caused a grounding of one model of 737, had experienced the same malfunction as the flight that crashed on the previous day. In fact, several other aircraft had experienced the malfunction and recovered and landed safely. This is why Boeing initially claimed the issue was one of foreign pilots with more reliance on automation, much less hand-flying experience and not an aircraft problem. Because few people outside of Boeing understood the system and which sensors were contributing, and how those sensors were used to inform the MCAS, several aircraft and flight crews experienced what the dead flight crews experienced, reported the events, the aircraft were checked by maintenance, no fault found, and the aircraft were returned to service.

    EVERY aircraft and EVERY pilot has the ability to fly itself into the ground and crash. That's what flight training is designed to prevent. The pilots that were aware of the system didn't crash. Most of the pilots that were not aware of the MCAS were able to avoid crashing when the problem occurred. Every crash is like lining up a series of swiss cheese slices. Crashes only happen when the series of holes in the cheese slices line up. This is why aviation studies crashes so carefully, has elaborate procedures with checklists and regulations, and flight training in the safest areas takes so long and requires so much experience. Airbus crashes aircraft at a comparable rate. You can't create a pilot-proof aircraft. Boeing has gone to carp in several ways since they bought McDonnel-Douglas and MD has taken over the corporate culture along with the financial tech bros. But Boeing isn't the only cause of these crashes. They are the ones with lots of cash, they knew the most about MCAS, and it's in the interest of every reporter and activist to focus all blame on the Capitalist machine. Crashes are prevented by knowing exactly how and why a previous crash happened, not by looking just hard enough to put the blame on the target you want to blame before the crash happened.
     
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  8. kranky1

    kranky1 Road Train Member

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    No, the pilots job is to fly the ####ing airplane. Like pilots used to before somebody filled airplanes full of computers and they forgot how. THAT is the problem. I’ve watched it happening in aircraft first, and lately trucks. It’s the same thing, when the computer ####s up you’re left relying on a seriously degraded or non-existent skill set. They need to take their computers and #### off with them before they kill us all.
     
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  9. mstrchf117

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    Meh. If it was just computers talking to computers we'd have automated trucks and cars already. Throwing crunchy meatbags into the mix are what's causing problems. Humans are erratic and unpredictable. Computers can compensate for ice and stuff faster than humans, what they can't compensate is the dullard swerving back in forth between lanes as he texts and drinks then slams on his brakes when he misses his exit. Probably start to see yard jockeys and shuttle runs swapping over to automatic trucks before otr
     
  10. roundhouse

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    Ive always thought they got the whole social security thing backwards

    it should be from age 18 to 26 or something like that

    you need the money when you’re young and starting out , going to college or trade school , getting married having kids buying a house etc

    By the time you’ve worked all
    Your life , you should have saved and invested plenty for Your retirement .
     
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  11. teams567

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    You are talking 4 wheelers obviously.

    Driving is an art. Can't be taught or sold.
     
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