Frame cross members.

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  1. freight shaker

    freight shaker Light Load Member

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    The repair shop claims rusted through cross members are legal and must be broken in order to be in violation. I disagree, but would like to see what your thoughts are.

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    Thanks in advance.
     
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  3. saddleup

    saddleup Light Load Member

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    if the right DOT man sees that you are toast, i wouldn't pull that empty down the road, that is an out of service waiting to happen and with new rules, you can't afford it.
     
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  4. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    This would be great question for a structural engineer to answer. Many beams have holes in the side to reduce weight and because strength wise, that extra material isn't needed. For me, I look at the general over structural integrity of the support members. Big rotten holes are getting written up. Smaller ones, I can live with. If I feel the box or whatever isn't going to fall off and it still well supported by neighboring members that are in good shape, I will let it go. The rules basically say it has to be "damaged, cracked or insecure". I guess rust rot could be one of those grey areas.
     
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  5. freightlinerman

    freightlinerman Road Train Member

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    OOS. Large, gaping holes in your cross members are not normal. "Bent, broken, loose, sagging." They will get you for that, the term 'rusting' or 'holes' would get almost any truck OOS today, as it is so vague. That rusted frame rail is broken beyond repair with the rust. It's a very grey area, but I wouldn't be running around with that.
     
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  6. freight shaker

    freight shaker Light Load Member

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    The shop is using the guidance under 393.201 (a) and claims rust is not a violation.

    I claim rusted through and weakened cross members are a violation under 396.3 (a) (1)

    § 396.3 Inspection, repair, and maintenance. (a) General. Every motor carrier and intermodal equipment provider must systematically inspect, repair, and maintain, or cause to be systematically inspected, repaired, and maintained, all motor vehicles and intermodal equipment subject to its control.

    (1) Parts and accessories shall be in safe and proper operating condition at all times. These include those specified in part 393 of this subchapter and any additional parts and accessories which may affect safety of operation, including but not limited to, frame and frame assemblies, suspension systems, axles and attaching parts, wheels and rims, and steering systems.

    I would be nice to see the shop (and my company) use common sense and good judgement and just fix the trailer.

    Even more frustrating is the fact the trailer sat O.O.S. for 2 weeks while myself, the shop and corporate went rounds concerning this trailer..... it could have been easily fixed in that time.

    Thanks again guys.
     
  7. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    There holes in it...do you have to ask......

    The other guy said i beams sometimes have holes to reduce weight. He is right, but they are structurally designed in the right place so that strength isnt compromised. That is just asking for something heavy to fall through the floor when you hit a pot hole/
     
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  8. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    surface rust isnt a violation as long as its still structurally ok. Holes are structural problems.
     
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  9. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    O yea, some shippers will refuse to load you. A lot of paper shippers inspect trailer before loading.
     
  10. JohnP3

    JohnP3 Road Train Member

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    When in dought call you local inspector and ask if he would mind coming over and giving his opinion.
    In our area that would be a fail, be sure you write it down on every pre-trip, just to cover your ?
    Just a thought!
     
  11. jbatmick

    jbatmick Road Train Member

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    It would all depend on the mood of the officer / inspector. While I see no immediate danger, it is time to replace them.
     
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