Freight Rates and Loads

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Arcana, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    Ruthless, here's the irony. I warned him not to buy that truck. Against my better judgement I told him he'd be better off leasing one of the new trucks the owner offered him. Full warranty, full maintenance truck. $2,200 a month at the time and 0.07 a mile FULL maintenance coverage, from the tires up.

    You know what he told me? "NO EFFEN WAY I'M MAKING THAT KIND OF PAYMENT!" LOL

    Well, we know just how expensive his used truck payment really ended up being.
     
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  3. Ruthless

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    What are you gonna tell him the next time?
    -_-
     
  4. Scooter Jones

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    Stay in that company truck! :/
     
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  5. DUNE-T

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    Yup, lots of people bought trucks. Looks like it's the first year for OP too
     
  6. Midwest Trucker

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    New entries are flooding the market since about a year ago. Like someone else said, just look at the abundance of new owner questions on this forum during that time. Several per week. 3 per week on this forum prob equals 3000 in the entire country. Every time I go to the DOR there is a good 5 people ahead of me applying for a new authority.

    Back in the winter and spring we as a fleet were around 2.90 to 3.20 for all miles empty and loaded. Right now we are around 2.60 to 2.70. It’s still a lot better then it was in 2015 and 2016 but our expenses have have also gone way up.

    2.50/mi is the new 2.20/mi I’d say. I’ve wrote extensively on this forum about saturation and how it doesn’t necessarily mean the economy is slowing if you see less rates. It’s all about saturation and also the big boys adding trucks at a record pace.

    Just like has been happening for years... trucks will flood in, they will go out of business and megas will have them sit, then rates will go back up. It’s all about getting it while you can then surviving until then next cycle.

    Things aren’t easy right now but if you think it’s bad, wait until a year from now and it’ll be way way worse. We still have a very strong fall and winter ahead, then next spring will be painful followed by a decent summer and then a doom and gloom late summer slow down.

    That’s how I see it anyway. If your just getting by now then you have very rough waters in your future.
     
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  7. Hurst

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    Agreed.

    Load boards have slowed down. They always do this time of year for open deck. But if you know where to be and who to call,.. there is still plenty of freight paying very good rates. OS/OW is still paying very well.

    Experience and keeping an eye open for potential customers is how you succeed in this business. You cant keep doing the same thing in the same lanes and expect it to keep paying out. Its a never ending process of searching for new customers. Learning which lanes pay better than others and how to get back into those lanes from other loads.

    Trucking and rates revolve around supply and demand. You have to know the market in the area that you are in as well as the market you will be hauling into. You dont want to be competing with 10,000 other trucks over a limited freight base in a poor market area. You will go broke.

    Hurst
     
  8. Opendeckin

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    I bought a flatbed and starting pulling it just recently. Been an owner op with authority for 3 years prior to this move. Was always pulling someone else's trailer and being dispatched by them until now though.

    Start Date 7/31/2018
    End Date 9/20/2018
    Rate Per all miles $2.30
    Revenue Per day $681.06
    Revenue Per week $4,767.40
    AVG miles per week 2076.31
    Miles 15424
    Profit 16906.2
    Revenue 35415
    Profit Per week 2275.83

    Comments 2 weeks taken off of work and all but 1 weekend at home. All but 1 weekend was a 3 day weekend.

    This is what my progress has been like. my goal was to be at 2.5 a mile, but it hasn't quite been happening. My cost of operation is only 1.2 a mile so I can make very good money at 2.3 all miles, but I really think the market can support 2.5 a mile all miles If I just learn to work it a little better.

    My primary issue with dispatching myself is some weeks I just don't feel like going out and dealing with everyone's #### and I've got enough capital that I can sit for a pretty long time. I've gotta find some way to motivate myself so I quit taking full weeks off every couple weeks lol.
     
  9. Hurst

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    I cant confirm or know where to begin to find the data.

    When I posted my opinions about the subject in my other posts 2 months ago,.. I predicted an over saturated market with new O/O's trying to cash in on our success of 2018. I based my opinion on the amount of posts on here and other forums of people asking where to find loads, what loadboards to use, where to buy a good truck, which truck is better,.. those kinds of rookie posts. Then just over hearing conversations from people at truck stops who were bragging about how much money they could make if they bought a truck. Company drivers blindly talking each other into wanting to lease a truck. People who work at shippers telling me how rich I must be and how they are going to get their CDL and buy a truck. No clue as to what I went through to get to this point.

    Thats when I knew the boom would be short lived and 2019 would go back to a brokers market. Combine that with rising fuel costs and I predict only the well prepared will survive 2019. With the 2020 election coming up,.. I suspect purse strings are going to tighten up before the election. If Dems get in office,.. I expect an epic drop in volume and rates. Most rookies will,.. or should be close to bankruptcy by 2020.

    No hard data,.. just my personal opinion based on what I am seeing. Now is not the time to be a novice O/O.

    I hope I am wrong,.. you guys can chastise me if I am wrong. We will see how it goes. I'm still going to put my pants on one leg at a time and keep hustling the best I know how.

    Hurst
     
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