Fuel Prices are NOT the Problem

7mouths2feed · Mar 12, 2008

Truckerjo said: ↑

Your barking up the wrong tree if your looking at this as a solution...
It all sounds good but would be a more difficult thing to accomplish then other options..
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Just ask anyone over 45 what happened when the price of fuel was regulated in the 70's..

Once again another person that cuts down an Idea but offers nothing with regards to "other options"

Baack · Mar 12, 2008

5mouths2feed said: ↑

So then what your local garages and all the labor unions have done has been illegal. Establishing a fare labor rate is NOT illegal.
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Meeting together to set a price creates no competition
That is considered a monopoly and is currently illegal
Except for certain circumstances
Utilities being a big one
In that case the government controls profit and mark ups, which is needed due to the specialized infrastructure

Baack · Mar 12, 2008

5mouths2feed said: ↑

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Once again another person that cuts down an Idea but offers nothing with regards to "other options"
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We are talking about other options
But wanting government control is not a great option
We live in a free economy
Yes fuel prices suck but this is how changes are made
The people make the choice not to accept it and go from there
Allowing our government to control through rules, regulations and laws will only hurt us later
We cant have it both ways

7mouths2feed · Mar 12, 2008

Baack said: ↑

We are talking about other options

What other optonis being discussed? Strikes to get a cap placed on fuel prices?

But wanting government control is not a great option

Allowing our government to control through rules, regulations and laws will only hurt us later
We cant have it both ways
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Oh I agree. Which is why I am against all the comments people are making about fixing fuel prices.

What I am talking about is no different than MINIMUM wage... a price that can not be legally undercut. a price that all parties involved agree to never go below.

I'll say it again: repair shops set a shop- labor rate within 10% of each other so as not to drive each other out of business with bidding wars.

Please do not take my word for it. Call around to your local auto/motorcycle repair shops and ask what their labor rate is. In Jacksonville, FL all legal motorcycle shops are between $85-$95/labor hour.

It is not illegal because it is LABOR not goods we are speaking of. Fixing the price of goods is illegal. Setting a fare labor standard is not. If it were then unions would be out of business.

Dannyboi · Mar 12, 2008

5mouths2feed said: ↑

Oh I agree which is why I am against all the comments peple are making about fixing fuel prices. What I am talking about is no different than MINIMUM wage... a price that can not be legally undercut. a price that all parties involved agree to never go below.

I'll say it again: repair shops set a shop- labor rate within 10% of each other so as not to drive each other out of business with bidding wars.

Please do not take my word for it. Call around to your local auto/motorcycle repair shops and ask what their labor rate is. In Jacksonville, FL all legal motorcycle shops are between $85-$95/labor hour.

It is not illegal because it is LABOR not goods we are speaking of. Fixing the price of goods is illegal. Setting a fare labor standard is not. If it were then unions would be out of business.
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WE NEED TO COME UP WITH AN HOURLY RATE THEN, NOT CPM

MedicineMan · Mar 12, 2008

Dannyboi said: ↑

OKAY HERE IS WHAT I'M GOING TO SEND CNN TO TRY TO PUT ON PRIMETIME TONIGHT!

What are we going to do about the fuel prices and the transportation industry. The shippers and brokers are unregulated as to what shipping rates should be. Therefore now that the fuel has increased to an all-time high, trucks are shutting down and/or small company's are going bankrupt daily now (a sight that no one knows about except for those in the industry) because the shipping rates are not going up to help compensate for the cost of operating. If anything shipping rates are falling because company's are taking what ever they can get to try to keep from going bankrupt (this has been going on for a while) the trucking industry is failing due to no regulations to establish rates. If the trucks cant afford to operate and supply America with their important and much needed freight, then America stops, something needs to happen soon, everyone including owner operators, small business owners, large fleets, and independents are talking on the road and in trucking forums and news stating that if fuel goes any higher they wont make it and they will have to shut down, if not already shutdown. This is because shippers and brokers(the middle man working with shippers to find trucks) are not regulated on rates. They are not giving rates that are compromising for the increase in fuel and operating costs. I cannot stress enough about what will happen here shortly about trucks stopping. AMERICA will stop too! Our Nation will crumble shortly if we don't do something to regulate shipping rates that follow fuel costs!!
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You should include something about freight rates being down to early nineties levels when fuel in that time period was $.80 to $.90gllon vs the $4 gallon we are looking at now

Baack · Mar 12, 2008

5mouths2feed said: ↑

Oh I agree which is why I am against all the comments peple are making about fixing fuel prices. What I am talking about is no different than MINIMUM wage... a price that can not be legally undercut. a price that all parties involved agree to never go below.

I'll say it again: repair shops set a shop- labor rate within 10% of each other so as not to drive each other out of business with bidding wars.

Please do not take my word for it. Call around to your local auto/motorcycle repair shops and ask what their labor rate is. In Jacksonville, FL all legal motorcycle shops are between $85-$95/labor hour.

It is not illegal because it is LABOR not goods we are speaking of. Fixing the price of goods is illegal. Setting a fare labor standard is not. If it were then unions would be out of business.
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Thats the problem, shipping rates are not labor so to speak
But I understand your reasoning
I am against minimum wage, I feel the free market will adjust itself.
If illegal workers are not flooded into the economy
Side note if hillary gets her way the available jobs will decrease with a 10.00 min wage

7mouths2feed · Mar 12, 2008

Dannyboi said: ↑

WE NEED TO COME UP WITH AN HOURLY RATE THEN, NOT CPM
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If thats what it takes why not?

You won't see a dump hauling for $x.XX cpm.
Why should anyone else?

The only problem with that is incentive to do better.

Hourly wage plus delivery bonus? Maybe?

Baack · Mar 12, 2008

Dannyboi said: ↑

WE NEED TO COME UP WITH AN HOURLY RATE THEN, NOT CPM
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Then they would have to pay overtime LOL

7mouths2feed · Mar 12, 2008

Baack said: ↑

Then they would have to pay overtime LOL
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And God forbid you actually get paid more than you could make at MickyD.
or for the actual hours you work.

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