Gasoline Tanker

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by GasHauler, Dec 9, 2011.

  1. Marc Letourneau

    Marc Letourneau Light Load Member

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    I don't know what they do about vapor at the terminal where you guys are, But here they are incinerated as they come out of the trailer.

    But what is the reasoning for all the EPA regulations? Delivering a load of gas properly is not any more dangerous than pumping gas into a automobile.
     
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  3. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    I think what they are talking about is recovering the vapor back into your tank at a station drop. There are only a few high volume places around Iowa and MN that currently do it. In Cali. and other states I think it's already law.

    Heck, I've had to stop C-store employee's from lighting up cigs for a break right under the vapor vent when dropping gasoline... One even said, "Aw it's not going to blow up". I said, "If you do light up, please let me run about three block away"... and he got the picture.
     
  4. Marc Letourneau

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    Oh I know about the station drop.. It's a law here that you are required to recover the vapors which is necessary with the public being around. I can't tell you how many times I can see vapors coming out of the station vents that are only suppose to let air into the tanks.. Not blow out vapors while delivering.
     
  5. fishhook

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    Makes perfect sense, more experience only adds to the job potential. As far as all The different grades and blends, why on earth does California have so many? Why not just pick the " cleanest" and be done! Oh wait that would make sense ....
     
  6. Guntoter

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    Yeah, but its not always about the cleanest. Price (CBG or Clean Burning Gas) is about 3 cpg more to produce, so if EPA doesnt require it in Flagstaff why would a station owner pay extra? The reason they dont need it there is because we are in a valley in Phoenix they are on top of a mountain in Flag. Our smog just sort of sits in the lowest point of the valley, their smog slides down the hill to us... Out of site out of mind.
     
  7. fishhook

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    Doesn't California have something like 37+ different blends of 87, all to meet different local carb type regulations?
     
  8. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    When you say delivering a load of gasoline is safe if done right I couldn't agree more but with that comes all the EPA, DOT, Local and State laws. Vapor recovery is a safety item and an environmental item. If you're blowing vapors out while you unloading it's dangerous. That's why it's required by the FMCSA that the driver be trained in the product and how it acts. Besides that it's faster to recover vapor.

    I would say that the rules and regulation with handling gasoline are writen from blood. Most of them make sense and I wouldn't want it any other way. To be honest I would like the station to stop selling gasoline while am in there. But that's not possible with the high output of product my company has.

    We all load at one terminal in Las Vegas. The vapor recovery is a closed loop now and that's because the valley can not meet the Clean Air Act. It did at one time let the vapors just evaporate but then since the valley can not meet the CAA they made the tank farm recover the vapors.

    Having and knowing a lot of laws and regulations does benefit the driver. It also shows you have pride in what you do. I received a gold coin from the U.S. Mint just because I found the injection pumps for the additive were turned off. Since I caught that the company only had to pump out one station. We were lucky because the only responsibility we had at the third party tank farm was the inventory of the additive. So knowing the regulation and law paid off for me.

    Fishhook, I can not tell you how many different blends of gasoline Calif. has but you are right that they do have many different ones. And again that gets back to the Clean Air Act and meeting that standard.
     
  9. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    The number of different blend does not effect the driver. We get loading numbers form dispatch, the producer (rack operator) figure's out the blend. If you use the right number and take it to the right destination, you cant get the wrong blend. If somehow it was wrong, the driver is not liable (keep your dispatch sheets until after you get paid).


    GasHauler: Theres technically 2 in Vegas now although they are next to each other, Kinder Morgan and Pro.
     
  10. Guntoter

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    Let me clarify something. If your BOL says "not to be used in covered area"... That means it has no Ethanol or they added something that cant be used in a particular area. Then the driver is liable (but only if the BOL says not to drop it). So I always read the BOL, if it doesnt say dont drop it, its getting put in the ground at the address on the BOL.
     
  11. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    Yes you're right. It's always been that way and it used to belong to Gulf way back when. The last time I heard only Rebel was loading out of there and that's why I didn't say anything about it. There is also a seperate rack behind KM that Texaco used but I don't know the status of that one.
     
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