Hello,
Wanted to introduce myself and ask a few general questions and state some things in an effort to better understand the industry and driver culture as a whole.
I will preface these questions/statements with a few things in order to provide some context.
A few things to note before i hope in:
. I have never driven! I am not a driver and do not intend on being one at this moment. I currently have a desk job.
. I am in my early 30s and have been working in logistics/trucking for about 13 years now. I've dispatched for a large asset provider, worked in a brokerage arm of 2 other larger asset providers, worked within freight forwarding and have operational experience with dry vans, reefers, flatbeds, OD/over legal, and drayage. Looking to start with a flatbed trailer.
. It is not lost on me that the most important part of any trucking outfit is the person behind the wheel. I am assuming every driver here is trying to feed themselves and/or their family. Yes, there is money to be made but mutual respect and open communication with drivers is paramount. Paying people what they are worth and respecting their worth is very important to me.
With some context out of the way I wanted to ask some general questions for the drivers out there. Be it owner operators or the guys and gals running under larger companies here is what I am curious on:
1. This one is more for the owner ops or general owners out there. Am I nuts for trying to get a truck and a driver and running him or her from my office at home? The general vibe i get from seeing peoples' responses about small outfits is that the drivers are better off owning/running themselves and their own equipment. Does my industry knowledge, connections and general business acumen not go far here?
2. I know a lot of brokers require "X#" of months of active authority to run loads for them. Are you able to have an active authority and buy some time but not be on the road? I'm not worried about searching for loads or finding them, but i am concerned with the pitfalls of a new authority.
3. Recruiting Driver(s): This in all honesty is the hardest part. The people make or break a company. I plan on doing some sort of base salary with weekly mile incentives for the driver. CPM sounds nice in order to motivate drivers to run far but it does have its pitfalls with standby/detention. Thoughts on a pay system? How would you like to get paid? 401K and health insurance is a must for me for the driver. In reality I want a tenured driver but i know it will be hard to pull someone who's tenured who has a good set-up. What would it take you as a driver to switch to a new company? (as in the company is new)
4. I know there are so many other things involved like the truck, lanes, expenses, ELD, gas, maintenance. These are all things i am slowly working through. If you have any life saving tips on any of the above and anything in between i am all ears on that as well. The above 3 are certainly ones i need assistance from the crowd.
If you have read all this I appreciate you taking some time out of your day.
All feedback and critiques welcome. "Between the velvet lies There's a truth that's hard as steel" - Dio
Thank you in advance and stay safe out there.
TY,
- PK
B.C.C.
General Advice or Critiques - I'm all ears
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by blackcatcarriage, Jun 4, 2025.
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It’s a great way to become a millionaire!!! If you start as a billionaire. A One truck operation will flop (imo) if it isn’t you running the truck, especially if you are trying to pull off of load boards. A good, experienced driver will run from the business plan you are thinking of, which leads you to taking a newbie with no experience. Get a new authority, inexperienced driver, and an insurance quote, and look at the numbers. Not feasible
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OK who is the company you are working for?
in a way, many just want to make the big bucks and could care less about anything else.
Not all the time.
Well what they are worth and what they expect are two things with a wide gap between them.
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Yes!
Well I asked what company you work for to gauge what you know.
No, insurance has to be valid all the time.
You are a long way to that.
Now, to get to this, how much money do you have?
Actual liquidity, not credit card crap or ablity to get a loan but actual cash?
I would think at this time, being limited in your knowledge, you need at least $70k in the bank, above and beyond the purchase of the truck/trailer and the start-up costs (*authority, lawyer, a year's worth of insurance). You need that money to pay the bills, pay the driver (no matter what you go through, you pay your driver) and to have reserve cash when the truck craps out on you (this includes housing and transportation for the driver when it is being repaired).
The method of paying the driver is up to you, you can be a cheap prick and do a 1099 without a contract or be smart. The driver matters a lot, but you are not going to attract the good or best drivers without experience of being one, so you have to keep that in mind. Right now, we have too many drivers and most of them are pure crap, can't even keep the truck in the lane. One driver can do a lot of damage to your truck so it goes back to the $70k.
SO all of that said, my question is this - what do you expect to get out of this?Sirscrapntruckalot Thanks this. -
Thanks for the replies.
I have no capital allocated to this endeavor currently. I’m assuming it’s impossible to get a loan without something substantial like 70k as you mentioned.
I have worked with Schneider, Marten, a chemical broker similar to Univar and a freight forwarder similar to DSV.
What do I want out of this? Build a fleet and replace my full time job. Be my own boss. Be able to live off managing X number of trucks. Be somewhere people want to work. Give back to my community. But I know that takes many units and many years.
Maybe it’s a pipe dream but I’d figure I’d ask. Closed mouths don’t get fed.86scotty Thanks this. -
You said what do I expect?
I expect to get my ### kicked the first few months. It may be unprofitable for a long time. Guess it’ll come to how much I can stomach. It’s not for the faint of heart. Running a business of any kind is an assumed risk.Sons Hero Thanks this. -
if you were willing to drive as well, you would have a better chance of making a go of it. No driver will run as hard as an owner who knows he has an insurance renewal, or something similar coming due. It helps if you are handy with wrenches tooBoostedTeg Thanks this.
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Ok, this will stop you.
Well lenders (which I work with a lot) know this is a high risk business that has the highest litigation risks, more so than any other combined.
Failure rates for owner operators are around 95%, new start-up fleets are higher, not much, but higher.
This means that you have <5% chance to make it through the first year, and going back to the lenders, this is their numbers.
OK, so then why are you worried about freight sources, this is what I get from the questions.
Maybe 10 years ago but now it is impossible. Just look at the failure rates, this used to be <75%.
Your reputation comes from your ability to keep things running all the time.
It is good to ask, I could lie and tell you 'it is great, you will have an easy time' but reality is not what others want to admit.
One accident, you are out of business and ruined. I've seen it happen a lot of times.
You have to start with being in the industry, not by sitting at a desk but in the mud, working, learning and gaining experience on what this is really about. Being inside doesn't mean you know what is going on in the fields.
Some of the best owners will not even be here, they were working in the rain or dealing with the crap as drivers for years and built their business from the ground up with a driver's perspective and experiences.
You as an owner have to work with direct customers, this crap about brokers isn't going to make money, you will see <6% margin while struggling to keep trucks rolling. You have to bust your ***** to get out and find consistent work. I spent half my day negotiating with another trucking company just to take their overflow. I have the capacity to do this and I sign the contract tomorrow, this will provide some work for 5 trucks.Sirscrapntruckalot and Sons Hero Thank this. -
Thank you for the transparency. Definitely going to sit and think about everything said here. I knew this was a large undertaking but your context has changed my calculus a bit.
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