Going behind broker's back?

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by gokiddogo, Aug 25, 2012.

  1. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    I was not planning on putting anything directly on paper contract wise, other than a load by load basis. My plan was if I am available, he can call me. If I am not, then I am not. I can only move one load at a time at this point.

    As for my freight coming home, I have another broker who has steady freight back close to my home base. They are already calling me with offers also. I told them I want to get this delivered and empty, all good before I go booking the next load (which will be monday)
     
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  3. snowwy

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    personally, i wouldn't say anything. cuz if the broker ever caught wind of ANYTHING going on. the end might not work out very well. wether it be u and the broker. or the shipper and the broker.

    if there's going to be a problem just keep it between the shipper and broker. the one thing you don't want to do is rock the hand that feeds you. untill you've found your own food and are sure you won't be needing handouts in the future.
     
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  4. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    How about this.

    Since this shipper is only working until november or so, and if I can do a good enough job, I can perhaps have him call the broker direct and say "I want this guy to haul this for me at this rate, and that is the way its going to be"

    This way I stay happy, shipper stays happy, broker remains in the loop.

    What you think about that?
     
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  5. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    can you say solicitation behind the brokers back.

    brokers aren't stupid people. if they were, then it would be the truckers making it rich and the brokers going poor.
     
  6. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    To be honest I had no intention of even having this conversation while I was loading. The guy came up to me and started asking questions when he saw I live only a short drive away.
     
  7. dannythetrucker

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    yah, as much as I am out here looking for direct freight opportunities and stuff (probably more than most O/O's). this being your first load and all, I think you'd be better off to call the broker. At least now you're on the inside track and if you play your cards right you will know what the broker is being paid. other factors to consider is if you have a positive impression of the broker ? i know once I hauled a load the broker couldn't even give me the correct name and address of the shipper or the correct pickup number, when I got to the customer I got to talking and I did wind up breaking the contract and hauling many loads direct but the broker was so incompentent he never had a clue. I knew he had no real relationship with the shipper or reciever so I didn't feel bad about it either.

    For you, not really knowing everyone in the situation it may be worth the 10 or 15% to the broker just to have less responsibility and keep your options open. if you start hauling direct you may wind up with a lot of pressure from the shipper.
     
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  8. G/MAN

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    I think that if you need to ask the question you already know the answer. In business, your word is your bond. It is a matter of character. If you sign a contract you would be willing to live by the terms of the agreement. You just got your authority and are hauling your first load and are now faced with whether you are going to keep your word or not. You probably signed a contract that stated that you could not back solicit business from any shipper that you first learned about from the broker. I have a broker that I have been hauling for a shipper that I contacted long before dealing with this broker. I could solicit the shipper and not breach our agreement since I had previously made contact with them. Even so I would not solicit their business as long as I am getting business from this broker. It could strain a relationship that I have built over several years. I may make a little less on those shipments, but that is OK. If I did solicit the business I might even lose other freight from other shippers due to my going back direct with that shipper. If the broker was no longer doing business with that shipper then I would feel better soliciting their business.

    I was approached by another shipper after hauling a load through a different broker. The shipper didn't like dealing with brokers and wanted to do more direct business with carriers. The loads paid very well. As far as I know the broker no longer books loads for this shipper. If that is the case then I could go back and do business with them without any repercussions. I have stayed away from that account due to a possible conflict of interest, but it has been long enough at this point that it would not make any difference or breach our contract.
     
  9. Grumppy

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    I didn't read all the posts so excuse me if this has already been posted.

    Would you want your broker to go behind your back & get the contract on a customer that you were hauling for? I didn't think so.

    Having said that, when I owned a hotshot, I hauled from load boards. I got several loads that I remember from a broker who was signed with the shippers. After I hauled a couple of loads for two shippers, they gave me loads directly. I hauled for both shippers for quite sometime. It wasn't any skin off my nose as I wasn't contracted with the shipper or broker.

    However, if the broker had found out the shippers were going behind his back, he could have caused problems for the shipper.... possibly suing the shipper for breach of contract, damages, loss of broker fee's etc.
     
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  10. gokiddogo

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    Thank you all very much for your input. My relationship with this broker is already very good. I am going to just keep booking through the broker for now. I'll keep on him to continue loading me and whatever problems the shipper has, the broker can deal with that. If the day comes when I call this broker and he says "we don't haul for them anymore," then I would feel more comfortable chasing it direct. But I can cross that bridge when I come to it. I think it is more important, right now, for me to prove myself (under my own authority) to this broker, so I can be at the top of his list.

    Thanks again for everyone's help tonight.
     
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  11. gokiddogo

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    I am getting paid a rate I am happy with as it is. I think anything more than trying to get steady loads out of the broker would be playing with matches and gasoline. I am just going to keep hauling for broker. Gotta start slow here. Don't want to put the cart before the horse ...
     
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