Going to train # c r england....advice??

You be the judge. This is a recap from one of my first posts.

Trainer #1 took me to an abandoned parking lot (Bob C) to make a pass at me in womens underwear. Had me thrown off of truck in Youngs Town Ohio.

Trainer #2 Could not would not drive correctly (Roy M) from behind his sleep curtains, would call out check your mirrors! When Roy drove he could not keep the truck near the speedlimit. Free wheeled down hills, would not use his qualcomm, forbid others from using the qualcomm. Left me at defcon 3.

Trainer #3 Didnt like the way I looked. Said I didnt fit "His idea of a trucker" (Bruce E). Threw me off the truck because he thought I was a newb, he wanted (me) the fellow with 6,000 miles left of training.

Turned over 9,500 miles in training.

The classroom will teach you alot about yourself about sleep habits and other important aspects about driving. But the trainers that I met were not professionals. They were however proffessionally weird.

 

It probly doesnt matter at this point, but even with a brand new truck, our lease payments are a little over 2 grand a month. We may not make alot of profit, but we make enough to be kept fed, pay our bills to about 2 months in advance and have a little spending money.

Not sure what you mean by a performance clause, but as Ive said many times before, if we get to a point were we dont make money for ourselves, we can take the truck back and be done with it.

Well, in our experience, we've never had that problem. They dont make us sit for very long. Maybe its the DM we have but he's well capable of runnin us 6,000 miles a week if we want it so gettin loads isnt an issue.

Welll all I can say is dont piss'em off. Dont turn down loads just cuz they're heavy for example just cuz you think they'll degrade your fuel mileage. If your gonna turn down a load, do it for good reason.

That may be the case, even with England, but as long as I make a substansial amount of money, I really dont care.

With England, you just turn the truck back in. Theres no penalty except that it puts a mark on your credit rating for an incomplete lease.

Again, you keep referring to it as a "bad" deal. You dont lease with them, so how do you know its a "bad" deal??? Oh wait, I know....from other people, right? Im makin money with them. Why dont you want to accept that?? Are you afraid to? If not, whats the deal??

And why do you say that???

Yes, I will make it that far. If i dont, it'll be because I cant for other reasons.

(If you make it that far)-------You see, its comments like these why I dont respect you that much. And you expect me to listen to you??

Well now, mister counselor, with that being said, how can you critisize to the extent that you are??

I was gonna ask you if you could tell me a list of companies that would hire me and my wife on the spot with less than 2 years experience that would pay me what you make being a company driver that I would turn this truck in tomorrow but with you saying that, you really dont have any right badmouthing England when I atleast have a job. Some dont.

Man, you are so full of hate on this issue thats its just mind-blowing.

Who are you to decide what my "decent return on my investment, time, energy and money" is? You dont even know so how can you make such a misguided assumption like that??

Well, if this were my truck or would be if i decided to buy it at the end of my lease, Id feel that way too but as i said, and I'll say it again, IT AINT MY FRICKKEN TRUCK!!!! NOR DO I INTEND ON "MAKING" IT NY TRUCK!!!

But I will add, once you complete a lease, your next lease can be specially ordered. I dont know to what extent, but then again, since i dont plan on signing another lease, I dont care to find out.

No title, but no baloon payment either.

Thats just it, I dont intend on doing something they dont like.

Dont flatter yourself, Ace...... That was pure and simple sarcasm to which I figured you'd atleast get but apparently, not.

Well, you got me on the speedlimit part, but the only time theres an issue is when going through a state that slows trucks down below 62. Other than that, I dont feel i need to run that fast because its been a proven fact time after time that running that fast burns more fuel.

Plus, I have a hard time believeing you get "great" fuel mileage with that KW. Maybe you've done something different to it, but that '07 kw w-9 we drove in the last part of our training, the best we could get out of it was barely over 5.5mpg and that was on flat land. Oh and it was an "un-neutered" truck so do go gettin any lame ideas. It would run 75, had no idle timer crap on it and it had a moveable 5th wheel. Im glad becasue that truck was so nose heavy that I never could run it all the way up with out overloading the steer axle.

Anyway, it had the C-15 in it so again, I cant see you getting great mileage in it, but then again, I dont know your truck. I dont know what motor you have. This '10 Cascadia gets well over 7 and yes its governed, along with all the other stuff. Again, because England pays for part of my fuel thats left over from my $1.25 per gallon.

I pay for my own fuel to, bud, just like I "own" my "own" business. I may not "own" my "own" truck, but I certainly do "own" my "own" business regardless on how much pointless arguing you wish to initiate on the subject.

I accept the fact that this isnt my truck. I knew that when I signed the lease. Thing is, you have a problem with accepting this simple little fact for some reason.

Again, yes it is.

I dont give a #### what England is "supposedly" famous for. Why is it ALWAYS Englands fault? Just like I told Jimbo, how do you honestly know that England was the only one at fault for every deal that went sour?? You honestly believe that every Tom, Dick and Harry that signed one of their lease apgreements did absolutely and I mean ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong?

Why would they do that????? You mean to tell me that they would do it without reason???? Unless I give them reason, they have no reason to do it!!!! Man, do you realize how pathetic you sound???? When is this madness with you and your enourmous hate on this subject gonna end???

Plese stop trying to make my decisions for me. Im well aware of deciding for myself, thank you very much.

I never said England was great. I said they have been good to us. Maybe its because we dont rub them the wrong way and they dont rub us the wrong way.

Why do you keep acting like it takes a long time to decide when an employer is bad??? Ive worked for people in the past that only took me a week to come to the conclusion that this wasnt the job for me. Id say that after a year, 8 months spent as a company driver and 6 months spent as a L/O, whats gonna change? How do you know something will change?? Can you see the future or something??

Oh, I intend to.

So, with that being said, you are no better then me when you assume YOU are always right and somebody like me is wrong because you've been driving longer. Please......... Stop while you assume you are right.

I had no intentions of being an Owner/Op and buying my own truck and trailer. Why? because to me, thats alot more responsibility than just leasing a truck. Atleast with me, I turn my truck back in and not have to pay anything more on it. If you made it to the point were its paid off, then good for you.

Thats were you and me differ, pal. I signed on to it so that is my obligation.

Is a little different when you have the financial ability to become a sucsessful O/O straight outta the chute. We on the other hand, have not. Besides, I know of people who tried the O/O thing, and they lost money. You did well apparently, so once again, good for you. But just because you made it work and those others I talked to, that doesnt give me the right to go bashin people who wanna be O/O's.

Well, when someone doesnt come off with the "high and mighty" attitude, I listen, too.

Now hold on just a minute. How did I all the sudden become guilty of nosing in parking spaces and speeding through parking lots? Where the hell did that come from? I think you need to get your facts straight.

I listen, but when someone tells me how to do things just because they dont like them, thats not "helping" someone out. Its plain and simply ######## at me because I'm doing something you dont like. You drive your truck YOUR way and i'll drive mine MY way.

BTW, what does the content of other threads have to do with this anyway?

There will be no forgiveness for this kind of "presentation" of your so-called wisdom.

Again, I never said England was great, nor did I say there "fleece" program was great either. Take the carkey outta your eye and maybe you will see it.

Its "another thing I dont know about"??? I'm doing it. Ive been doing it for 6 months. Of course I know about it. May not be evrything, but Im certainly not oblivious to it.

Well, if you for example wouldnt come off with this "know-it-all" attitude and tone down the belittling and get off this highhorse I might be a little more accepting to listen.

We're only gonna pay 73k on a 3-year term. Thats a lot less than 120k.

This is even on a brand new truck.

Although Ive heard that Prime charges like 800 bucks a week for a lease payment on a new truck. This is just what i heard, so dont go jumpin to conclusions.

Again, you took something i said and completely twisted it around for your idiotic enjoyment.

Yeah, you three just keep on high-fivin yourselves when you obviously have no idea on your ignorance.


But, I can see there is no end to this disscussion again, so there really isnt no point in dragging it along anymore. You guys have your opinions and i have mine.

You wanna keep talkin smack about England, go ahead. Be my guest. I really dont care, nor did i ever care. I just felt a reason to say that there are some who make sucess with their lease program.

I will finish my lease with england regardless what you "haters" say so like I said, bash'em all you want whether you've actually worked for them or not. I will continue to say good things when people ask me about England so if you dont like it, oh well. Get over it.

I wish I could say this is my last post to this thread, but I doubt it.

 

Just give him room fellars... It is gonna hurt when he hits bottom....

 

Best thing I can say is turn and run the other way. Good luck if you still go.

 

It's all pretty funny stuff though....

 

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What...You think someone handed me a truck? When I bought my first truck I paid cash for it!
No one gave me the cash...I earned it.
While all of my friends in high school were sittin' around partying and smokin' dope, I was loadeng trailers at night for a local freight company.
While the other guys that I went to school with were makin' minumum wage at MacDonalds (Minimum wage was 98 cents an hour in 1970) I was makin' $10.00 an hour doing shop help and moving trucks around the yard for the same company on weekends.

I saved $10,000 by the time I graduated high school by doing whatever I could to earn money...Working on peoples cars, doing odd jobs for neighbors, Hauling trash out of peoples yards and whatever else I could do for money because I wanted to do this and I knew it wasn't gonna be easy!
When I got out of school, I drove a company truck for 1 summer and saved as much of that money as I could to achieve my goal...Just after my 19th birthday I bought my first truck, A 10 year old Freightliner cabover for $6500 and went to work for the company that I drove for the previous summer...I lived in that old truck and saved every dime and bought a second truck later that year and hired a friend of mine that I taught to drive to run it.

6 months after I bought the second Freightliner...I ordered a brand new 1975 KW conventional.

Nobody gave me anything and it wasn't easy to become a "successful O/O" and it has been a struggle at times...but here I am still doing it all these years later and lovin it as much now as I did the "first day!"

Just a little insight into how I started...In case you thought that "daddy" handed me a truck to keep me out of jail or somethin'.

 

Black; quit beating your head against the sky! You know that truckers are like pigs wrestling in the mud. After a while you realize the pig enjoys it! ROFL! I think you said it 2 or 3 pages back that he's put his heels in and will keep this up till you give up! Heck, he's posted some stupid stuff in other posts as well as this one but like every other L/P driver out there he signed something that was a bad deal right out the chute (yes there is a copy of the England Fleece out there on line) and as with the rest he'll argue the point that all is good with life but in reality will not prove it as his pride took a big hit and all he can do is argue that life is good not knowing that you, me and the rest of us thats been out here since before these fleece programs showed up and we watched so many drivers who "played by the rules" got bent over the tank but what do we know because we were to smart to fall for these fleece deals!

Let him "think" he's running a business and wait till he's finished paying for that POS Freightliner that has a mounted 5th wheel a 9 speed and company setup and try to sell it at a profit when it's sitting there on it's last stroke! Why these guys think they'll get good money for a freightliner with the cheap set up is beyond me! Oh I know they saw one in a truck paper going for $30.000 and think thats great they'll get on a trade in! You know as well as I do that $30k was for a truck that had already been through a "reman" but a tired arsed FL will at best get $15 on the trade! If you're going to lease to purchashe then lease something that has a resale value at the end! Freightliners made of plastic have no resale! Now a Classic can but it's considered a real truck! sometimes!
Anyway let the rookie keep thinking he's got a good thing going lying to himself and when he hits bottom from doing one little thing those oh so nice people at CRE don't like and he will as they all do when the truck is almost paid for be there to pick him up and dust him off and send him on his happy way with a hard ding on that DAC/HireRight report! He'll always be right!

Oh what do I know I'm just an old driver who never made it around the block! Or wasn't stupid enough to fall for a lease as momma didn't raise no fools...well, yes she did I drove a truck for 32 years! LOL

 

Thanks for the "in a nut shell" verison of your biography but all that really wasnt necessary.

Man, I never said, assumed, thought, or even dreamed all your #### was "given" to you.

Once again, you guys are allowing your beligerent ignorance to cloud your judgment so bad that you arent even listening to me anymore (like you ever did).

It hasnt a #### thing to do with a matter of wits, bonehead. I KNOW whats going on with my career and my business. I dont need some band of dried up old farts telling me otherwise.

Oh and you havent?? You're doing it right now!! I know exactly what the problem you and all these other wilted up gas-bags have against me; The mere fact that Me, bein a rookie aint bowin down to your "elderly" advice. You'd rather critisize me to the point that it turns into a "world vs. me" battle.

Again with the "bad deal" crap. When exaclty is this "bad deal" supposed to show itself "oh old and un-wise" one??

You're darn tootin' Im gonna argue my point because you guys are so wrapped up in your hate with the company I work for that its utterly pathetic.

I dont care how flippin' long y'all have been drivin because it means absolutely squat to me at this point.

I cannot believe you feel that you have the brass to come in this thread and speak total garbage. Did you even read any of my posts? No, you did not. If you did, you wouldve read that I have no intentions of buying this truck when I finish the lease. When that time comes, I'll be govin them the truck back and be sayin, "See ya!" But, since you think you are one of "elders", you think you can come in here and start shoutin out all these fake claims that you failed to see that I never made. I think you need to go take your pill, old man.

Oh and once again on the 5th-wheel, tranny crap that you said. I'll say it again since you obviously didnt read. Well, maybe you did read it, you just dont remember.

The reason I have he "company" setup, 9-speed and the un-moveable 5th wheel is because England pays for part of my fuel. So in my mind, whether I agree with it or not, I dont blame'em for havin a little control. Hell, even the O/O's that come in with their OWN truck have to abide by the same rules as we do if they want to be under the fuel cap program.

Do you want me to fail??? It sure looks like it.

I know I have a good thing going. Well, it could be better, but whether I had more experience or not, Mr. KW up there says that those who have the experience that I need, they cant find that job either, so Im just glad to have a job. LIke I said, my bills are paid, so everythings good.

Again, with the "truck buyin" assumption.

I dont plan on pissin' off England and I dont forsee it happenin' long as I do the job that I agreed I would do.

What do you know??? At your age, I wouldnt be surprised if you have to stop and think whether to wind your arse or scratch your watch.

Its sad that this discussion had to go from an opinion war to gangin up on someone just because you refuse to believe that someone is actually beating the odds with a company that has such a bad reputation.

You'd rather write smart-assed comments, joke, high-five each other and all the other obscenities just cause you apparently have nothing else better to do.