Government regulates everything else time to regulate rates.

This discussion has nothing to do with anyone's Costs. It's kind of irrelevant anyway because no matter what your costs are they are exponentially more than what the brokers costs are.

I don't know how you guys make the leap from a broker being transparent about his transaction with the shipper To looking at everyone's cost to government regulating minimum Rates to be paid by the government to The government controlling what an owner operator makes. These are all separate things that are not interconnected whatsoever.

I don't understand these illogical leaps that you guys make.

Not being funny but I don't understand how anyone thinks double brokering is good for this business.

Or how anyone can think that not knowing what the truck ordered not used is or the detention rate is is a good thing. I can't understand that.

Or that negotiating is much easier and better when you have no idea what the other person's hand is.

You want the broker to put as much in his pocket as possible as long as you're happy with whatever rate that you got.

On the other hand the general complaint in this business is that the rates are where they were 30 years ago and that the detention rates and the truck ordered not used are not enough.

There is a reason for all of that.

Transparency and the free market wouldn't make everything perfect but it certainly would level the playing field and those that are intelligent would know what to do with it.

 

I see it the absolute opposite.

If your living depends on negotiating with someone and you truly have no idea what's really there for you to negotiate to me that sounds foolish.

It sounds foolish to me because what hangs in the balance is your actual living. The money that you don't make is what the other guy is making. And you have absolutely no idea about it.

And this is a business where everybody complains the rates are the same as 30 years ago.

To me it sounds like what you are saying is you really don't care what you earn and if the brokers are getting much more than you realize and you've earned that much less in your lifetime who cares?

That makes no sense to me.

 

I remember in the early 00’s when brokers where really screwing the system by being predators.

Then 08 crash came.


Wait that was the housing market. The brokers where making 30-40k per loan.


Just remember this, the brokers are shooting themselves in the foot with this industry like the brokers did in the housing industry.

it’s going to crash big time.

if brokers where not making a killing in any market more and more wouldn’t pop up over night, no double brokering wouldn’t happen in this scale and apps like convoy, or Uber wouldn’t exist.

either way watch what happens next when owner operators are gone.

you think megas going to take loads from TQL? Or any other brokers?


The way things are going owner operators are a dying breed.

 

Well I think if the value of moving the freight is $5000 and you took $1000 for it that's some pretty poor math. If that is the value of that load to be moved then you are taking cheap freight and you have completely undervalued yourself and let the broker take advantage of you.

But then again if you don't know any better as far as what the rate is, I guess you get what you get.

You work hard and pay all your expensive overhead as the broker sits there and puts his share and your share in his pocket.

Most people want to work hard and be proud of their nice house and they're nice car and whatever else.

It sounds like you guys are really proud when you see the broker drive down the street in a Ferrari that was paid for by taking extra from your share. Makes no sense.

Transparency and the free market solves these things.

 

What youre seeing is a bunch of folks who realize that the government is a caged lion. He rules the jungle and cannot be beaten. When you open the cage, it doesnt go where you wanted it to. It goes where it wanted to and devours whatever it wants. it wont go back in its cage until you shoot it, which in the case of govt isnt hardly possible anymore.

So we look at the crooked brokers as a mouse. By my logic, a mouse problem is not near as bad as a lion problem.

 

Again, if they choose to do it on their own nobody has problem with it, when you try getting it government mandated is what we're having issues with.
Again, it's none of your business what they're charging to do it, your business begins and ends with what they're willing to pay you, if it's not enough don't take it.

 

I don't disagree with you, but the thing is the regulation on trucking companies doesn't stop.

So a few small regulations on the brokers is not going to change anything except level the field and let the free market take care of it.

 

When has any "level the field" regulation ever actually leveled the field?

 

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Pretty much leveled that playing field didn’t it?

 

You seen any militia lately?

10 americans cant agree on what to eat. Nevermind who to shoot.