Have rates Fallen?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by mcgoo422000, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. truckon

    truckon Swamp Thing

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    Ya, I don't do long island or city.. but car rates do seem to rising .
     
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  3. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    I forgot to mention they wanted it tarped and delivered before 5 PM and it's 10am now
     
  4. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    Tarp fee $150 extra, expedite service $300 extra. And yea, I forgot about the load securement issues with flatbed. That should be calculated as an hourly charge and then rolled into the spot rate.
     
  5. Sly Fox

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    Everyone has weekly/monthly expenses that are split up amongst each day on the road. For instance, if your weekly expenses are $1000 (truck, trailer, insurance, plates, permits, taxes, fees, etc). Then you need to account for $142/day if you're running seven days or $200/day if you're running five.

    Now, that $600 200-mi load on a seven day run gives you $458 after your weekly expenses. Your fuel at $3.80/mi for 6mpg loaded (you have deadhead, I'm not counting, just figure it in the average), is 33.3g is $126. Now you're down to $332 for the day.

    Now, figure out your set-aside for maintenance/tires. Figure out where that $600 load is taking you. Is the freight better or worse there. If it's worse, why go there for cheap?

    I set aside 30cpm for repairs for truck and trailer. That would be $60. Now, you're down to $262 for the day.

    As for the long load, I'd never do it for $1000. $1200 would be my minimum for that load. I don't haul cheap. But, even at $1000 that's $1000-$143=$857. Fuel at $3.80/g for 6mpg is $380. You're down to $473. Now, $180 for maintenance (30cpm, which is my figure). You're down to $393.

    $131 more than the shorty at the slightly higher rate. I'd be making $331 more than the shorty made. I just got $2 outbound from New Jersey. Why? Because I negotiated it and found a good load. I didn't just jump on the first piece of crap that fell onto the load board.

    I had one broker just now ##### at me saying there's no way I would get the rate I wanted. I had already turned down a load HIGHER than that because I didn't like the destination ($3.50 going where I don't usually go). However, he wanted me to run $1.30 the other direction and I told him not to call me. He then started calling me a liar and swore at me before I hung up with him.
     
  6. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    10-days into the year and rates for dry van are solid. My open deck guys are off. Q4 was so-so but considering the year as a whole I can't see how anyone can be complaining about 2012.

    But if we are just looking at a very short period here compared to 2012, January is up. One of my guys was pointing out he expects to clear his January 2012 profit by this weekend.
     
  7. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    Revenue for 2012 down 6% for the year but total miles were down 10%. I had problems with a rebuilt trans several times too.
     
  8. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    So your rate per mile was up. That's almost 7% increase in your mileage rate. If you averaged $1.80 last year that would be $1.92. (roughly off the top of my head). A lot more to look at but that is moving in the right direction. Increase rate per mile and decrease expenses.
     
  9. rockyroad74

    rockyroad74 Heavy Load Member

    This may be the problem?
     
  10. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    Read post number 25
     
  11. rockyroad74

    rockyroad74 Heavy Load Member

    Yeah, i could be off too. I'm making up for taking half of last summer off.

    As far as van rates being solid. What that now? $1.50?
     
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