Help a newbie with load placement

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  1. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    I just bought a 53' step deck with spread axles. Actually it was originally a 48' but then a 5' dovetail was added so the axles may be farther forward than they would be on a 53'

    I went and weighed it empty today full of fuel and with headache rack and all chains, binders, etc.

    It was:
    9,560 steer
    12,080 drive
    10,400 trailer
    32,040 gross

    Primarily I am going to be hauling my own equipment to job sites.

    I have 4,000lb of stuff that has to ride on the upper deck and then I have a 15' long machine that weighs 20k, and a 22' long machine that weighs 10k.

    I am sure it would scale legal either way because it isn't that heavy but should I place the 15' 20k machine in front or behind the 22' 10k machine?
     
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  3. 59MackB61

    59MackB61 Light Load Member

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    I would load up the heavyist first than the smaller longer one than get a weight. If it is good your all done. The heaver one should always be loaded first to put weight on the truck.
     
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  4. rcelmo

    rcelmo Medium Load Member

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    I agree. With a stepdeck you will usually get to heavy on the trailer. Thats
    why they are usually spread axles.

    If you have any problems you might look at your machines. Most machines
    are heavier at one end. By putting the heavier end forward you can transfer
    your weight to the truck. On many machines the counterweight end will be
    heavier.
     
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  5. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    Thanks guys.

    The heavier machine is actually perfectly balanced. It has a big hammer in the middle of it that beats on the ground and they engineered it so that the center of gravity is right in the middle of it.

    The longer one I have no idea how it is balanced but it is only 10k so it shouldn't make a huge difference either way.

    I was just a little concerned that it might be too much on the truck with the 4K sitting essentially right on top of the kingpin and the 20k machine in the first 15' of the trailer.

    On a tandem you typically measure the center point of your trailer from the kingpin to the center of the tandems on a spread do you just measure between the midpoint of the spread and the kingpin? Not really relevant to this load but was wondering for other things I might haul. I am assuming if you just are hauling one thing (like maybe this 20k machine by itself) that you want it centered over the trailer midpoint?
     
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    Heavy Hammer Road Train Member

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    You're almost there. Get a measurement now from your trailer kingpin to center of the trailer axles.
    With that measurement, it's basic physics & math. Target axle group weight - tare axle group weight / payload = %of payload to sit on said group.
    Take that % number(0.XX) multipied by the number of inches of trailer wheelbase (k/p to c of axles) and measure it out. That is you're payload C/G target.
    It doesn't matter spread, closed, tri, quad, or single...it's the center of the group.
    For this yes, 4k of stuff on neck, 20k machine up close to neck, 10k behind that, all done.
    The above will help you if you move other than your own shipments.

     
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  7. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    Generally the light if it's 24 feet back is where you want to put the center of the weight of the load, or a few inches either way. You may find that putting these machines on forwards or backwards will make a difference. I don't think you will have much of an issue.
     
  8. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    I measured from the kingpin to the center of the spread and it is 38'3.5"

    Now to get out the calculator......
     
  9. 59MackB61

    59MackB61 Light Load Member

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    The weight and how to load is taken care of now I would be concerned about the dove tail to make sure it is built well enough to carry a load on.

    I have seen a few that were glorified ramps and some that had been loaded so heavy they are bent and you could flex them when chaining down equipment
     
  10. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    The dovetail is super stout. It was made by TMI in Lubbock. They take 48' steps, rip the floor out, sandblast the trailer, put new apitong floor, build the dove and ramps, rewire, go through the brakes and axles, etc. They told me guys have loaded 50,000b excavators on their dovetails with no problems. My heaviest machine is 20k and is on rubber tracks.
     
  11. macavoy

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    There is too much math in this thread, where is chewy when you need him?
     
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