Help buying day cab

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by jpeters72155, May 7, 2015.

  1. icsheeple

    icsheeple Trailing the Herd

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    Where's a good thread post on more of this?

    orrrrrrrr hijack!!!!

    So you can't do a parked regen? How fast would it clog idling every night? I heard a DPF cleaning service is like $300. Doesn't seem outrageous if you had to do it once a month. Cost of doing CA business I guess.
     
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  3. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    I agree. $88k for a 2011 Cascadia is way too much unless it has like 100,000 miles. I've been seeing them for the mid $60s to mid 70s w/ about 300-400,000 miles. I'll consider KW and Pete when I find or get more recommendations to go that route. Research has been telling to go the Freightliner and DD engine route to have the least emissions issues.
     
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    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Definitely agree. If the add on filters were a proven success they would be a lot more common and I wouldn't be spending so much on a day cab. I never thought I'd have to resort to spending more than even 40k on a day cab but its all the emissions and regulation stuff :biggrin_25513:
     
  5. jpeters72155

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    Anyone have any experience, opinions or feedback on Arrow Truck Sales?
     
  6. PackRatTDI

    PackRatTDI Licensed to Ill

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    There's no provision for a 7th injector and no ECM programming for an engine not built with a DPF to have one anyways. To install one would drive the costs up so high it really wouldn't be worth it unless you literally were in love with the truck you had.

    If I really wanted a day cab that was CARB compliant, I'd buy a coffin sleeper EPA 2007 compliant Kenworth or Peterbilt and remove the sleeper and add a day cab conversion kit.
     
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  7. Toomanybikes

    Toomanybikes Road Train Member

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    I have no clue why you would settle on Crapcadias. I suspect that low experience fan boys that work for the mega's get issued a couple year old Crapcadia and not knowing a freeing thing, think it is the '####.'

    The mega-crap companies by Crapcadias because they are cheep mexican made trucks and they show every bit of it. They still lease them and get paid for the warrant work by Freightliner. For them it is a win-win.

    Own that Crapcadia after the fact is just going to cost you more money. For your desire list you should have no problem finding a used Paccar or Volvo product.

    As far as buying from a mege-crap carrier don't do it. There mechanics are the worst, their drivers are the worst, put those things together with a Crapcadia and you have just wasted your money.

    Another tip - this is the wrong time of the year to buy trucks. Most market segments are surging and finding a deal on used truck is much tougher. Lease until the end of the year and if you still insist, you can pick up a mega-carrier truck for cheap in Jan-Feb; the dealers will be saturated with them.
     
  8. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Like I've mentioned more than a couple times to everyone questioning the choice of Cascadias. There seems to be NO CARB compliant trucks that are free of emission problems. Forum research on a few different forums is telling me that Freightliners w/ DD engines seems to have the least amount of emission problems. Are Volvos better? Possibly but I read again and again that parts are too hard to find and service is too hard to get or too far. And I don't have enough info supporting getting a Pete or KW or Internationals given emissions issues and non-related engine issues.

    Is buying an emission truck a great idea with all the given problems? Of course not but we are located in CA and don't have a choice. Is leasing a better option to avoid the risk of a truck that will crap out on you? Sure but we don't have the cash inflow to afford a larger lease pmt on all of these trucks. We need a total of like 6-7 trucks. These 4 or so day cabs are just part of it so leasing all of 7 units is not an option. On top of that, leasing is much more expensive due to the much total higher interest that you pay. That's something we'd be willing to pay to avoid the risks of emissions trucks but like I said, we don't have enough cash flowing in to lease all 7.

    We need a combo of leasing and purchasing and this portion is the purchase side. The only better and probably the best idea is to buy All new or like new trucks and then dump them on the market when we need to upgrade again but we have not been able to get a huge loan like that.

    I've found out that right now isn't a great time to buy trucks but the old trucks are barely holding together and our safety scores are suffering because of it so I need to make a decision quickly. All I'm trying to do is to take the least risk possible in an already risky but forced decision. And I don't have control over what the company did in the past. My job now is to make better decisions for the future.

    If you or anyone else has info that will help given the circumstances, I'd appreciate it.
     
  9. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    This is just my opinion, based on my experience of owning trucks. In the long term, It's cheaper to properly fix the trucks you have than but another one. If your old trucks have maintenance issues, so will your new trucks. You need to address this issue if you want to ultimately solve the problem you are facing. Otherwise, you will be in a never ending cycle of replacing your fleet like you are now.
     
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  10. Toomanybikes

    Toomanybikes Road Train Member

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    The problem with getting advice on the forums is everybody claims to be of some knowledge. Yet, like the rest of the trucking industry, many posting on line have little or no experience. Their only experience is holding the steering wheel of a Crapcadia at a Mega. I can't provide a resume here and won't waste other's time. And even if I did I could still be wrong about something.

    Just ask yourself, what truck brands do you see real owner operators using and why? (Peterbuilt [Paccar], and Volvo) They are much more reliable.

    What brands do the mega leasing company use? Crapcadia. Why? Because they lease, they are cheaper to lease, get paid to do warrenty work, and have no ownership consequences since they are lease trucks. That does not sound like your situation.

    It is amazing how the idea of the DD in the Crapcadia got lower emission costs. They all can have emissions problems and have never seen the Crapcadia having less. Its just that the DD and the Crapcadia has so many other problems. If safety scores are a issue for you Crapcadia is probably the last thing you want. They are just a poorly engineered and built truck.

    Paccar daycabs are not hard to find, and are less likely to be in the hands of the meat head mechanics of the mega-leasing companies. There is nothing wrong with Volvo or Mack. The parts and service center argument is such crap and from the mouths of newbies. 90%+ of the parts on all the trucks are from the same manufactures. Volvo dealers are all over California and the nation. Many if not most Volvos come with a Cummings and any service center will take care of Cummings.

    I get you are in need now, but so is everyone else that is why the prices are up. They will be until after Christmas when the mega's dump a bunch of trucks.
     
  11. jpeters72155

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    We need to replace the old trucks not just because of maintenance issues but also because of CARB. They are putting their foot down and starting to enforce the DPF retrofit and 2010 MY or newer engines. Current trucks are about 14-17 yrs old, we got a lot of good use out of them.
     
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