Help me understand some weight numbers?

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  1. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Light Load Member

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    Perfect. 4.10's & Aisin auto is a great setup from what I hear.

    Where I live there is a tier system for IRP.
    So 26,001-30,000lbs cost the same.
    30,001-36,000 is the same.
    36,001-40,000 cost the same. I noticed lots of hotshots tagging @ 40,000lbs now. Maybe do that.? Or to save some cash if your newer 4car is light enough just go for 36k. No reason to pay for weight you'll never actually use..
     
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  2. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    Don't encourage him. 80K will break his truck and trailer.

    If you load more than what you are paying for on the tags by weight, then that's going to be a enforcement issue me thinks.
     
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  3. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Light Load Member

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    Let me try to simplify or clear up what I am trying to say and why I am asking the question.

    I am currently waiting on my 3 car hauler I plan on using for 6-12 months. Later on I want to upgrade to a 4 car belly loader wedge when funds allow. These belly loader trailers are rated for 25k lbs. This belly loader + my truck will together be 39k lbs.
    The dealer website doesn't show a gross combined weight limit anywhere. Just a max towing number for my truck according to the vin number which is 25,130 lbs.
    Other, (non ram) websites, show a gcwr of only 33k lbs for my cummins + Aisin + 4.10 and was wondering if that is going to somehow limit me if I try to register for more.
    My fifth wheel is rated for 32k lbs so it should be fine to tow a 25k lb trailer.
    So far, my understanding is that nobody cares what my factory gcwr is and I would be able to register for 39k lbs.
     
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  4. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Light Load Member

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    LoL.. agreed, 80k is way to much but the gov't will gladly take the money if that's how you want to register..

    And yes, I was trying to say the same if it wasn't clear. Don't exceed the amount of weight that you paid for, & don't exceed the axle, or tire ratings..

    Luckily Chrysler has not stamped a GCWR in the door jam, or anywhere on the truck for that matter. IMO because it's a suggestion. My 2012 ram 6.7L 3.73 g56 dually only had a 21,000 GCWR. It lived between 27k-35k & did a fine job.
     
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  5. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    As another member posted, every state is different.
    When I registered my hot shot in 2005, the lady at the Louisiana DMV asked what weight I wanted to register it for. Huh??? I can register it for more than GCVWR? She said yes, you can register it for 100,000 if you want to. Just pay the plate fee's & your good to go. I think I was at 34,000 GCVWR, so I registered it for 38,000 just in case I ever got a bit over by mistake, I'd be covered legally at the scales. Personally, although I could gross 14,000 legally, I tried to stay around 12,000.
    Again, every state is different. Just ask the lady when you go in. Then write that check.

    Just my two cents.......
     
  6. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Light Load Member

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    The only thing your overlooking is you don't have to register for 39k if you don't want to. Your truck probably only weighs about 9000lbs give or take. So 25k trailer + 9k truck & your only at 34k gross weight. Tag for 35k or 36k & save yourself a few bucks..

    Right now my truck is 32k, & my trailer is 24k. Add that up is 56k.
    I'm only plated for 50k because 56k is just weight I can't use, so would be wasted money in registration fees.. I might even drop it this year because I can't get over 46,500lbs without overloading the neck on my trailer..
     
  7. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Light Load Member

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    The 4 car belly loader weighs 12k lbs and my truck scaled at 9300. That's 21,300 lbs empty. 4 cars at 4500 lb average is 18,000 lbs. Total I'd be at 39,300. My fifth wheel is rated at 32k lbs so no problem with a 25k lb rated trailer. I think I'd be on the nose at 39,000 lbs.
     
  8. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Light Load Member

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    Wow, that's a heavyweight trailer!! Most wedges, 4car stacker, even the mini5 are all only about 9k empty.. 18,000 freight weight, +12,000 trailer tare= 30,000, or an overloaded trailer in the eyes of the dot...

    A problem you may run into is some trailers have a load capacity label next to the GVWR sticker. This label will show gvwr minus the trailer tare weight, leaving you with a load capacity. In your case, it may clearly show only 13,000 load capacity. If dot man compares this with your bol's with four 4,500 vehicles you may get shutdown. Just a heads up. If it does not have a capacity label, no one will be the wiser..
     
  9. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Light Load Member

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    In that case then every single 4 car hauler in the market will be overloaded. According to the scales, 15-25% of the loaded trailer weight transfers to the truck's rear axle. 20% of a 30,000 trailer is 6,000 lbs that will "sit" on the trucks rear axle and none of the axles will be overloaded. My truck has over 6000 lb load capacity.

    I stopped at a scale in training with a 3 axle 3 car trailer that was "rated" to 12,000 and the boss's truck. The 3 cars totaled a little bit over 12,000 and the truck and trailer empty weighed a little under 14,000. On the scale we were a drop under 26,000.
    The trailer weighs 6,000+ empty and was carrying nearly 12,000 load. All the axles were underloaded and they let us through the scale without question. According to how you explain it, the trailer was 50% overloaded and doing the math, every single 3 car hauler and above is overloaded.

    https://www.suncountrytrailers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Bellyload48ft-2019Model-10Oct18.pdf
    Suncountry's belly loader approx. 13000 lbs empty.
    You are being redirected...
    Wallymo's belly loader is approx 9000 lbs empty.

    I saw one that said 12,000 yesterday and now I can't find it. I think it was an infinity trailer.
    I really dislike Kaufman trailers.
     
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