I agree Condo...Its confusing and what the conflicts do is force each individual to interpret things their own way. And more importantly you have to hope your interpretation matches how the DOT officer interprets the rule. And I have read some stories where even they get it wrong.
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Thanks for posting that language... Thats part of the regs I have been overlooking... I do have a full time job but my hours driving are so random and low, like 3 hours here or some days just some work around the yard that Im sure I dont come close to being over...But for trips like this one coming up Ill have to be sure Im compliant since it will be a full day of on duty driving.....Thanks again!
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Ok called Florida Motor Carrier Compliance and was told by DOT that if I am going outside the 100 air mile radius I can use the first page of my log book to write in carrier information and that I have been local driver exempt for the previous 7 day date range. I do not need to fill out the grid for any of those days. On the second page Id need to fill out the grid and all the other typical information on the log page for the day Ill be outside the exempt radius. That will keep me compliant for that trip.
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Ok, resurrecting this thread. Preparing to haul regularly in a short haul situation, inside a 100 air-mile radius (115.08 statute miles). I will be self-employed, having formed a Limited Liability Company and received my Operating Authority. No other employees, therefore the "carrier does not operate every day of the week".
Question 1: Does this mean I can set up a time sheet type of log simply showing the date, start time, end time, total day's hours and total 7 day hours? No odometer readings or destinations required?
Question2: Can I only 'work' 60 hours in 7 days?
Question 3: So long as I have 10 hours off-duty between 12 hour maximum shifts and do not exceed 60 hours/7 days, are there no other "reset" requirements/issues?
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Nottoway said: ↑Ok, resurrecting this thread. Preparing to haul regularly in a short haul situation, inside a 100 air-mile radius (115.08 statute miles). I will be self-employed, having formed a Limited Liability Company and received my Operating Authority. No other employees, therefore the "carrier does not operate every day of the week".Click to expand...As long as you stay within that 100 air mile radius, and clock off within 12 hours there are no log sheets required roadside. None at all.Question 1: Does this mean I can set up a time sheet type of log simply showing the date, start time, end time, total day's hours and total 7 day hours? No odometer readings or destinations required?Click to expand...
Total line 3 and 4 time maximum 60 hours. Remember, on-duty, line 4, includes ALL work, even office work.Question2: Can I only 'work' 60 hours in 7 days?Click to expand...
If you always stay under 60 hours in 7 days you do not ever NEED a reset. The 34 hour reset provision is just an option, not a requirement.Question 3: So long as I have 10 hours off-duty between 12 hour maximum shifts and do not exceed 60 hours/7 days, are there no other "reset" requirements/issues?Click to expand...Nottoway, CondoCruiser and 25(2)+2 Thank this. -
Basically everybody has a log.. If local your time card is your log book. If you go past the 100 mile as the crow flys rule.. You need to run a Federally designated log book. On your first day .. You have to log in your last 7 days.. So if you worked per your time card 10 hours yesterday, you have to enter that in your last 7 days. They can come in and audit your logs plus your time cards. If they don't match.. Trouble. Now that time card can go over state lines as long as you aren't over the hundred mile limit.
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Example: Always operating within a 100 air-mile radius.Scalemaster said: ↑If you always stay under 60 hours in 7 days you do not ever NEED a reset. The 34 hour reset provision is just an option, not a requirement.Click to expand...
Suppose I start at 6 am on Monday and am on-duty from 6 am - 6 pm through Friday evening, totaling 60 hours in those 5 consecutive days. Doesn't the 60 hr/7 day rule prevent me from resetting to be available for duty at 5 am Sunday morning? In other words, if I consistently worked 12 hour days, I can only work 5 day weeks giving me a de facto 48 hour reset? Is this interpreting the 1 reset per week rule correctly? -
the reset provides for 2 periods off from 1-5 am consecutive days
so if you stop Friday night at 6pm you can go back to work sunday at 5 am
as long as your last reset started 168 hours before thatNottoway Thanks this. -
Ok. Think I understand. Continuing this example...but to keep it simple let's always work with 12 hour blocks of time, always beginning my day at 6 am and ending at 6 pm. So following the reset I go back on-duty at 6 am Sunday and work another 5 days. So I begin the next reset at 6 pm Thursday night. Will I be eligible to go back on-duty at 6 am Saturday morning? And the pattern continues...or am I still missing something?Cranky Yankee said: ↑the reset provides for 2 periods off from 1-5 am consecutive days
so if you stop Friday night at 6pm you can go back to work sunday at 5 am
as long as your last reset started 168 hours before thatClick to expand...
Sorry to be so "slow" here, but I appreciate your help!
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