HOS new rules

I say we just go back to the old 8,10,15 rule and add reset. Motor coaches still use it. Without recap.
Plenty of flexibility, can stop and do what you need. Restaurants all started closing after the 04 rule change. Wasn’t about safety. Dot officers were not smart enough to figure out half the time we were doing time compression. They suspected but couldn’t really prove most of the time.
To hard for them to comprehend

 

Looks like your logbook program isnt coded correctly. 10+ off duty is perfectly acceptable

 

You think? I thought so too. If you were the FMCSA director or his deputy saying this officially then I'd be delighted to hear that but nowhere did I hear anybody official confirming it.
So, I have not choice but continue to "sleep" for 7 hours before driving home not to have those red color lines. Otherwise, I'd be a log book falsifier. It looks that my bedroom bed is less important than the mattress in my sleeper. LOL

 

Actually the way you are doing it now is falsifying logs... Claiming to be in sleeper and not being.

But to answer your question there are two FAQ's that are relevant.
The first isn't exactly your situation, but I think close enough.
Under the sleeper berth provisions, a driver takes 7 hours in the sleeper berth & later takes an off-duty period of 3 hours before arriving at home. When the driver arrives home within the permissible hours, what rest is req’d to reset their "day clock"? | FMCSA

The second FAQ look to answer it explicitly.
How may a driver using the sleeper berth provision obtain the off-duty time required by 395.3(a)(1)? | FMCSA

What I suggest is to print out that FAQ and put it in you permit book. Then log it like you are doing it, don't falsify your logs to make them look good. That will just end up getting you in trouble.
Contact your ELD mfg to see when they are going to fix the bug, and keep the FAQ handy to prove it is a bug.

 

I see the glass half full since the ability to pause the 14-hour clock with just a 2+ break is a huge advantage. Besides, I always put at least 8 hours of my 10-hour break on line 2 so I never have to worry about patching things up later.

At my present job I do actually sleep in the truck every night, but even if I didn't, I'd still log 8+ hours on line 2 just to keep the DOT happy. Life's too short to get uptight about that meaningless white lie...any sane person knows that sleeping inside a home or hotel is not going to make anyone a less safe driver than if they sleep inside a truck (all other things being equal), and you're probably more likely to be struck by lightning than have some DOT officer pressing you to provide evidence that you were actually in the sleeper on any given night. What, are they gonna come knocking on your door in the middle of the night if they see a truck parked outside?

 

Look at it like this, the 8/7 sleeper doesnt have to be the first part of your break, it could be the 2/3. At hour 14 having used say a 3 hr sleeper, youve still got 3 hrs to go.

But your logbook will warn you that you still need to take the other half (sleeper) until youve actually taken it OR a 10.

Rules of thumb
34 resets everything
10 resets everything except your recap

You are never in violation until you hit drive line. Try leaving it on off duty through a 10 and see if it resets things, if it doesnt, the coding is incorrect. Big road and keep trucking both work this way, the fact that yours doesnt... not impressed

 

Are you using both Big Road and Keep Truckin to say that they work like that?

It is Keep Truckin that I use. Examples shown from above are from Keep Truckin, nothing else.

Moreover, their reps - located somewhere abroad are claiming that they are right about it, therefore it is coded like that.

 

@ZVar I know what falsifying logbooks means so don't say that I falsified anything because I showed two versions of which only I would know what will end up filed and archived. I would never admit to falsify in a public forum like this, even if I did.
I showed the phenomenon and put ELOGS infallibility to question.

Having said that, I was accused of falsifying paper logs by DOT officers more than once but the last time was 15 years ago. I can only tell you that some of them would go out of they way to find something. Showing to some of them a log drawn in red is like showing a red cloth to a bull...


To add oil to the fire, Keep Truckin representatives, when called and asked about it, were dumb and clueless other than saying that had I logged at least 7 hours in the sleeper, the violation should not have shown. They offered to guide me through it too. LOL But what can you expect from someone somewhere abroad trying to teach you about US DOT HOS.

Thanks for links, the second one might be helpful but those DOT enforcers, I am afraid, would actually want to believe more in the infallibility of ELOGS than my arguing. I don't have any fun nor time to undo all the wrong inspection violations if they are entered, either.

 

I come home en route a lot, so such events might be a common occurrence for me. Unfortunately, the life teaches me that something like an official and widely recognized ELOG provider is showing as violation might actually be something that an average law enforcement person might see as authoritative enough.
Of course, nobody in their right mind, would stay in the truck for 7 hours before going home. I think that it was also a problem with the old split break rule, at the time of paper logs but way before, when it was reported to XM Radio trucking channel that some drivers were cited because they did not log (or I should say "did not spend") time in the sleeper after returning home. But then on the same channel, much later, it was discussed again and said that it was "fixed" by FMCSA...maybe that was the 2nd link that @ZVar posted.

 

I tested both, landed on kt because it was cleaner.

Logs are in descending order
According to you, im in violation if i dont hit sleeper, the app has it tracked fully correctly