Hos question

Don't forget that they all work together, often in the same room. They probably see one another every day, all day - they may even go to lunch together and complain to one another about the drivers that annoy them. You'll now be on that list...

It's not enough to be right, or even reasonable. Lucky helps. I'm frankly not sure what else does... but to be forewarned is to see the extinction-level asteroid coming... Worked for the dinosaurs, right?

 

Need info on teamed in a non cdl cmv what/how do the hos work? Scenario we are traveling from Idaho falls to Cleveland I've been in the passenger seat(no sleeper onboard) how far can we go daily/etc?

 

Im going to say a couple things but first, your questions.

There is no such thing as NON CMV when you are engaged to haul goods and cargo etc for pay or a living with a truck big enough to do that work. ALL work in the USA that is involving freighting and commerce paid to you by someone else for your work in driving same across the USA or within your state is highly regulated as part of Commercial Vehicle Regulations defined by FMCSA and DOT etc.

You are not a teamed for the trip. You are simply two people driving from A to B. Idaho to Cleveland will take you about 5 days as a single driver. If you have a sleeper truck you can team and run through the night. Sleeping in just a right seat is not sleeping. Again, if you are being PAID to take a box of widgets or any freight to deliver to Cleveland, you are in need of a variety of licensing, cargo insurance, permits, fuel etc and beginning with 1099 for Federal taxation of your work. And so on etc.

Passenger seat no sleeper scenario sets up a situation where both of you will be exhausted by day two. You then become a threat to everyone around you on the highway because driving tired, chasing that white line fever becomes just as bad, lethal if not worse than actually drinking and driving. You don't do it. If you want, you need hotels every night until Cleveland and swap out during the day to share the load, you can do about 600 miles in 12 hours which is reasonable. It's still 5 days.

HOS is hours of service, pertains to logging. Logging pertains to being a Motor Carrier under the Federal Motor Carriers Safety Agency under the Department of transportation. Your system of driving to cleveland as two drivers will fail because you do not have a sleeper berth. The laws I understand it allow a second driver to be on duty for only two hours max in that right seat to and from the sleeper only. Otherwise it's not a lawful resting on the move. You still need a hotel.

Finally but not last, instead of piggybacking onto a existing thread and creating a explosing of side tracking as happened here, you need to build your own specific thread. Someone will respond. Maybe the Moderator will split this post, your post from this trhead and build one that stands on it's own. or yours and mine will be deleted with a message to you to create your own thread.

Piggybacking onto other people's threads is considered bad manners online sort of like shoving into a line or group of people like a bully. It's not good form. The one reason I decided to write to you here is to both be kind and explain what I can to your questions and the end goal is to educate you on what better to do with these big forum sites to more effectively communicate with everyone your specific situation instead of hogging onto someone's other threads.

 

I appreciate it. I don't do forums much but when I do it's truckersreport.com.

We are not trying to break laws I'm just trying to get home been gone three months. We are "non cdl cmv" as I'm told. I thought section 395 said if your going home your off duty and HOS didn't apply?(i'm a total newbie at CMV rules)

Anyway thanks again.

 

What kind of vehicle are you driving? Big truck, small truck, car?
More details would help us help you.

 

A non cdl cmv would be anything from a gvwr of 10,001 to 26,000. Anything over 10,000 is a cmv, anything over 26,000 requires a cdl. All cmv's need to be logged

You have 3 clocks to worry about.
60/7 70/8. Don't worry about as you would have a hard time hitting those limits for one trip.
14 hour clock. Can only drive in a 14 hour window.After starting for the day, that driver has to stop after 14 hours.
11 hour clock. Can only drive 11 hours in that above 14 hour window.
8 hour clock. Must take a 30 minute off duty break before 8 hours on duty.

As for the team, since you do not have a sleeper you must be in the passenger seat. Unfortunately that is defined as On-Duty time. So best case is you will get a couple more hours driving by teaming this way. Driver 1 will run out of his driving hours around the 12 hour mak at best case. 11 hours driving, 30 minute break and at least once to gas up.
Driver 2 can drive the remaining of the 14.
You can read the regs at eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations

 

Here is another link or source for talking about personal conveyance.

You cannot be under any kind of work. There was a time I bobtailed home across several states rather than drive my car the same commute from the ternimal. Fuel was not a issue and driving to and from home was not logged. Because there is no trailer on that tractor and there is absolutely freedom from any work.

If you have any questions at all, talk to your trucking company's log compliance officer. That person will and should show you chapter and verse of the regulations out of the current green book and explain what you exactly can or cannot do with that log book when strictly free to go home with the tractor.

When Can Driving Time be Considered Off-Duty Time?