HOS rules and working in yard.

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  1. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    I can drive bobtails and trailer trucks into the auction house if I want to on private property no DOT no nothing.

    Put one wheel onto a public highway then I am seriously in violations.

    Regarding hours you can work all 168 hours in the week day and night and no one will care if you died from overwork. You just cannot drive until you had your break.
     
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    If I had the opportunity to make the money I am now, and work as much as I wanted to running a yard dog, I'd work 100 hour weeks and keep my mouth shut!
     
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    For a yard jockey, you drive for a minute, then hook airlines and drive again for a minute. Then you need to spend 5 mins on duty not driving( opening doors). You again get back to the truck and drive. If yard jockey follow HOS regulations. How do they log it
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    12 hour local exemption...
     
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    If they never leave the yard I wouldn’t do it any way other then “on duty”.
     
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    On duty. 14 hours burnt Going home. Pay me.

    Ive actually done it. My last yard job was that of a jockey supporting a now closed Jacksonville Arkansas factory production building and shipping building. Half a mile apart. Consider 25 trailers in the herd. Three at a time from Factory building put into docks at shipping facility which vendors come and take away as fast as I can feed it trailers from the Factory Building.

    Factory building docks one through three is mine. The rest of the docks is for anyone else. But I owned one two three.

    I probably drive 3 miles a hour total. A 14 hour onduty day will have showed that I drove a total of about... 35 miles just a touch.

    First picture is now closed jacksonville Factory building with docks one thru three nearest the door at about 990 redmond road. This is not a accurate current picture. The facility is ringed with spun razor prision wire on top of stiff fencing and a tree is growing where dock two is in this picture.

    The redmond road in jacksonville is near the Airbase, the middle picture is the factory driveway facing the shipping building on the left about half a mile down. A few miles beyond that sits the airbase.

    The third picture is many docks at the shipping building. I owned all of them with 25 trailers to jockey in that work. Pull in a empty dock starting with number one on the right end. open doors, back in, drop trailer. (Loaded) go to dock two. Verify that one is EMPTY. Hook. Close doors, drive half a mile back to factory building. Drop trailer in dock one. Hook to load in dock two. Drive back to shipping facility, drop trailer in dock two. 23 trailers to go.

    I referred to this work often because all I had to do is shuffle 25 trailers for as long as I needed to. It is literally mindless work no stress at all. One of the best jobs I had. The peterbuilt in front of the factory building is where the new tree has been growing more or less. Both buildings are seriously rotting, rusted with structural wall parts peeling like a bad dandruff or something or a skin condition. It's been closed down pretty tight for several years. I think a few hundred people were out of work now. They make cardboard boxes. Trailers full of them that goes to the shipping facility.

    The big mystery is this. They fill boxes there. Reloaded into trailers that go away very often. Keeping up with me.

    To this day I don't know what they made or packed in that second building which is also now closed, rotting and surrounded by not one but three rusting sets of spun razor wiring military style fencing. They are very serious on making sure people stay out. Both buildings are not in good condition today when I passed by last month. I go thru there every two months.

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    The LTL carrier I work for has e-logs that once logged in will automatically put the truck into line 3(driving) when the vehicle moves. There is however, an option to select "IN YARD" which only applies to operating the CMV on company property. This puts the operator into line 4(on duty, not driving).
    Therefore, an operator can drive a CMV inside the fence without logging line 3. This is useful when hostling, or when coupling trailers for a linehaul run. The way my company has interpreted the law, is that line 3 must only be logged when operating outside of company property. The rest of the yard operations can be line 4. We have not had any issues with the DOT on this policy.
     
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    FMCSA is bi-polar on this issue. On one hand they have guidance that states yard work is on duty driving. On the other hand, they created regs for eld that specifically give yard moves on duty not driving.

    Personally under eld I'd just let it do it's thing. Under paper I'd do the 12 hour timecard exemption if possible. If not I'd use the same city logging rule.
     
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    Woah this is news, as my company does not require the yard to be logged or anything.
     
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    Ya..Probably starting to "Wear a Little Thin" after 200 Drop & Hooks.