How bad is it? OOS

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by CruzControhl2, Jan 9, 2025.

  1. KDHCryo

    KDHCryo Medium Load Member

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    Yep, well I didn't quote anything about putting something behind the placard or securing it with tape outside the borders.

    The poster I quoted said he ordered some chinesium clear covers to put over top of the placards. That is a violation of FMCSA standards, personally I use clear tape behind the flimsy placards that shippers give. And check 'em every 200 miles on my in trip inspections.
     
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  3. KDHCryo

    KDHCryo Medium Load Member

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    That's an illegal placard from the get go. No hazard class number.

    VA scales would bend you over gently, and go in dry if you drove through the scales like that.
     
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  4. CruzControhl2

    CruzControhl2 Light Load Member

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    That’s sucks. When I first got my hazmat endorsement I would haul loads in a dry van with just a description of the class category. I hauled a trailer of batteries and I don’t remember having a UN number just a number 8 placard that said corrosive. I distinctly remember my first load to California; 46,000 lbs of Hydrogen Peroxide 100% pure to Hollister CA. I was thinking to myself I’m going through Arizona, will it get hot enough to ignite the load lol. Anyways they gave me a #5 placard that just said Oxidizer. I get the placards above don’t even have a description.
    I hate to drag out a story but on that load the product was in 55 gallon drums packed tight from the nose of trailer back just before the axles. (I was told it had to be loaded like so). I tried everything and could not get a legal axle weight. I was probably 200 over on my drive axles. I was pretty new then and didn’t realize strategies like cutting back on fuel.
     
  5. 77fib77

    77fib77 Road Train Member

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    It depends. You need to be over 4000 kg in non bulk packaging to need a number. You could get away without having the UN number and just the class. If it's bulk packaging then you need UN number.
     
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  6. KDHCryo

    KDHCryo Medium Load Member

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    I stand corrected, you Van guys taught me something today. I'm a tanker guy, so I'm always bulk and didn't even consider you guys hauling non bulk hazmat but not reportable in a tote in a trailer.

    You learn something new everyday.
     
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  7. LTL Bull

    LTL Bull Road Train Member

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    Nope. We ran clear tape right down the middle of the placard top to bottom left to right catching the cross bars of the placard holder itself. I have searched high and low how a clear plastic cover or clear plastic tape is a violation. Where is it in the regs?
     
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  8. KDHCryo

    KDHCryo Medium Load Member

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    Nope running clear tape down the outside of a placard holder violates FMCSA and DOT law in Many States.

    Putting a clear cover overtop of the placard is a violation, because the placard must be visible, and not obstructed.

    Schneider hashed it out with DOT back in 2016 about this issue, because some State DOT cops were being real buttholes about defining regulations (looking at you OH and CT)

    https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/interp/15-0224
     
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  9. LTL Bull

    LTL Bull Road Train Member

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    That letter is about using duct tape not clear tape. Again please show in the regs where a clear plastic cover or clear tape is a violation. State regs do not usurp federal regs. This is another “bunk must be made up with white sheets and made “ BS.
     
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  10. wulfman75

    wulfman75 Road Train Member

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    Not 100% on this but I believe fire extinguishers have to be on full or they have to be replaced. Even if u have a bigger one it still needs to be on full.
     
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  11. Long FLD

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    At my old flatbed job we had placard holders that were made from black tarp material with a clear window, had 4 eyelets to bungee them on all 4 sides of the load. Never once had any issue with anyone saying they couldn’t be covered with clear material.
     
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