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Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Mister Ection, May 16, 2012.

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Make sure the load hasn't shifted, pallets or boxes, not tipped, etc.
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Seriously?
I suppose you think I should break the Seal?

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Seriously?
I suppose you think I should break the Seal?
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How do you interpret it as written in the book and link provided?

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I could see doing a Safety Check.
But can not check Securement. Unless it doesnt have a seal.
Majority of the time these loads have no securement of any kind.
I guess they (Shippers) consider 'The Box' (inside of Trailer) securement enough.

There are many times when picking up a drop/hook I never even see the inside of a trailer.

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Theres your problem thats a FloriDUH book, those are not FMSCA Regs. You need to look in the little Green Book the FMSCA Regulation Book, that lists all the Law's/rules that we must follow. So to answer your question YES that book is wrong.

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Here's the FMCSA reg for ya!

Subpart A - General

§ 392.9Inspection of cargo, cargo securement devices and systems.
(a) General. A driver may not operate a commercial motor vehicle and a motor carrier may not require or permit a driver to operate a commercial motor vehicle unless'
(1) The commercial motor vehicle's cargo is properly distributed and adequately secured as specified in§§393.100 through 393.136 of this subchapter.
(2) The commercial motor vehicle's tailgate, tailboard, doors, tarpaulins, spare tire and other equipment used in its operation, and the means of fastening the commercial motor vehicle's cargo, are secured; and
(3) The commercial motor vehicle's cargo or any other object does not obscure the driver's view ahead or to the right or left sides (except for drivers of self-steer dollies), interfere with the free movement of his/her arms or legs, prevent his/her free and ready access to accessories required for emergencies, or prevent the free and ready exit of any person from the commercial motor vehicle's cab or driver's compartment.

(b) Drivers of trucks and truck tractors. Except as provided in paragraph (b)(4) of this section, the driver of a truck or truck tractor must'
(1) Assure himself/herself that the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section have been complied with before he/she drives that commercial motor vehicle;
(2) Inspect the cargo and the devices used to secure the cargo within the first 50 miles after beginning a trip and cause any adjustments to be made to the cargo or load securement devices as necessary, including adding more securement devices, to ensure that cargo cannot shift on or within, or fall from the commercial motor vehicle; and
(3) Reexamine the commercial motor vehicle's cargo and its load securement devices during the course of transportation and make any necessary adjustment to the cargo or load securement devices, including adding more securement devices, to ensure that cargo cannot shift on or within, or fall from, the commercial motor vehicle. Reexamination and any necessary adjustments must be made whenever'
(i) The driver makes a change of his/her duty status; or
(ii) The commercial motor vehicle has been driven for 3 hours; or
(iii) The commercial motor vehicle has been driven for 150 miles, whichever occurs first.
(4) The rules in this paragraph (b) do not apply to the driver of a sealed commercial motor vehicle who has been ordered not to open it to inspect its cargo or to the driver of a commercial motor vehicle that has been loaded in a manner that makes inspection of its cargo impracticable.
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So say Mr.900,000 tons-of-steel, I am sorry SIR. I was wrong and you were correct.

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most times, if loaded CORRECTLY, all of the boxes are pushed up tight against each other. This prevents them from falling over. If the stuff is palletized.

If hauling cheese barrels, (640 lbs), then you really need to be careful starting and stopping and watch your following distances and traffic actions.

You can dynamite your brakes and send the barrels up into themselves and you will be seriously overweight on the drivers. You can also see your walls bulge out.

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Balakov100 said: ↑

I could see doing a Safety Check.
But can not check Securement. Unless it doesnt have a seal.
Majority of the time these loads have no securement of any kind.
I guess they (Shippers) consider 'The Box' (inside of Trailer) securement enough.

There are many times when picking up a drop/hook I never even see the inside of a trailer.
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I'm simply going by what is in the book provided by the state, the entity by which Florida drivers must abide and test with in order to obtain their CDL. If it's in the book one has got to assume it can be on the test given by the state. That's an excellent point with the seal. I'm going to get clarification on this from the DMV in Tallahassee. I'm betting it's a state requirement enacted by bureaucrats who have limited, if any, commercial driving experience.

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I'm simply going by what is in the book provided by the state, the entity by which Florida drivers must abide and test with in order to obtain their CDL. If it's in the book one has got to assume it can be on the test given by the state. That's an excellent point with the seal. I'm going to get clarification on this from the DMV in Tallahassee. I'm betting it's a state requirement enacted by bureaucrats who have limited, if any, commercial driving experience.
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You've been correct all along. See post 124.

States have to follow federal laws. They can add to but they can't take away.

In regard to seals...

§392.9 Inspection of cargo, cargo securement devices and systems.

Question 1: Is a vehicle's cargo compartment considered sealed according to the terms of §392.9(b)(4)when it is secured with a padlock, to which the driver holds a key?
Guidance: No. The driver has ready access to the cargo compartment by using the padlock key and would be required to perform the examinations of the cargo and load-securing devices described in §392.9(b).
Question 2: Does the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) have authority to enforce the safe loading requirements against a shipper that is not the motor carrier?
Guidance: No, unless HM as defined in §172.101 are involved. It is the responsibility of the motor carrier and the driver to ensure that any cargo aboard a vehicle is properly loaded and secured.
Question 3: How may the motor carrier determine safe loading when a shipper has loaded and sealed the trailer?
Guidance: Under these circumstances, a motor carrier may fulfill its responsibilities for proper loading a number of ways. Examples are:
a. Arrange for supervision of loading to determine compliance; or
b. Obtain notation on the connecting line freight bill that the lading was properly loaded; or
c. Obtain approval to break the seal to permit inspection.
Question 4: Is there a requirement that a driver must personally load, block, brace, and tie down the cargo on the property carrying Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) he/she drives?
Guidance: No. But the driver is required to be familiar with methods and procedures for securing cargo, and may have to adjust the cargo or load securing devices pursuant to §392.9(b).
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Breaking a seal is not always practical like at a meat plant. It takes a miracle, new bills printed and at least an hour to have a seal broke. Those situations you know the trailer is loaded single pallets and you have faith in the shipper.

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thats one reason i drive a truck,i stop when i want truck when i want.....don't we all

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My employer has us doing the not yet required 30 min break before 7 hrs driving time has passed, just so we get used to doing it. Other than that, I stop 2-3 extra times to use the bathroom and whatnot.

Honestly, taking that break in between does refresh. I usually fuel, make a sandwich and take a shower during that time.

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so you break the seal?

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