How to work around Electronic logbook??

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  1. aaronpeterbilt3787

    aaronpeterbilt3787 Medium Load Member

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    Way too many arm chair do gooder truckers who like to argue for the sake of arguing.
     
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  3. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Ok. Here are the regs that claim inspections must be on duty, not driving.

    From 395.2 Definitions:
    Driving time means all time spent at the driving controls of a commercial motor vehicle in operation.

    On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On-duty time shall include:
    (2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

    So unless you are doing your inspection while at the controls of a CMV you cannot legally log driving. And if your fully inspecting while at the controls of a CMV you aren't doing a full inspection....
     
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  4. Knightcrawler

    Knightcrawler Light Load Member

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    Line 3 IS "on duty - driving". The book (at that time - and probably still does) only had 1 provision on what a driver MUST do. And that was he MUST be on line 3 if he was driving. The conditions for line 4 were "you MAY be on line 4" for this that and the other thing. Yes, you had to log it as "on duty" but it did NOT have to be on line 4. I dont know, I havent read the book since these ELDs came out frankly, but thats the way the book WAS and thats the way I logged it. I did it that way so I wouldnt have to log every stop I made since you only have to flag it on a change of duty status. If you stay on line 3, your duty status doesnt change and you dont legally have to flag it.

    I got stopped in Wisconsin (between Madison and Milwaukee eastbound near the pickle park) once and the trooper looked at my logs and said "it doesnt take 7 hours to get here from Minneapolis". I looked at her and said "yeah, so?" and that was all she said about it...

    Now show me in the regs where it specifically says pre-trips MUST be on line 4. You can look, but it aint there. Lines 3 AND 4 are both "on duty" and as long as you log "on duty" time under 1 of those 2 lines, youre covered.

    The definition you quoted falls right in line with what I said. If you are driving, you must be on line 3. It doesnt say that line 3 can ONLY be used for driving though.

    Drivers are trained to save their driving time like its something precious. So drivers THINK that non-driving on-duty time HAS to be on line 4, because thats what they were taught. But that just isnt true. If you arent burning your 11 hours every day, there is no reason to save it. As I said in my original post, I was on a dedicated run that took 7.5 hours (this was on the 10 hour clock not 11 like now, but basically the same thing without having to stop for a half hour before you get to your 8th hour like now). So as long as I didnt go over my 10 hours, there wasnt a reason to log line 4. On-duty is on-duty. Line 3 or 4 both count against your 70 hours, so if you arent going to use your full allotment of driving hours, no reason not to use line 3 for other on-duty time.
     
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  5. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    It is true, but since your reading comprehension skills are so lacking as to see that it's no use trying to convince you otherwise. Note it doesn't say driving time includes time at the controls. It says it's all time at the controls of a cmv. It lists no other time. You can't just add stuff because you want to.

    But I'm done arguing with the willfully ignorant.
     
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  6. Knightcrawler

    Knightcrawler Light Load Member

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    Well, insults are the sign of a small mind.

    I did do some research on it, and I suspect it was changed when they changed it from 10 hours to 11 hours driving time and 10 hours off duty from 8 hours off. I have an old FMCR from 11/08 and they are as current in that one, but its also 11 hours driving time. I will dig up one of my old FMCRs from the 90s and take a pic of it and post it just for you...

    So lets check YOUR reading comp skills... This is what I wrote. I will bold the stuff you probably should have taken note of:
    Line 3 IS "on duty - driving". The book (at that time - and probably still does) only had 1 provision on what a driver MUST do. And that was he MUST be on line 3 if he was driving. The conditions for line 4 were "you MAY be on line 4" for this that and the other thing. Yes, you had to log it as "on duty" but it did NOT have to be on line 4. I dont know, I havent read the book since these ELDs came out frankly, but thats the way the book WAS and thats the way I logged it. I did it that way so I wouldnt have to log every stop I made since you only have to flag it on a change of duty status. If you stay on line 3, your duty status doesnt change and you dont legally have to flag it.

    Reading comp fail on your part looks like. So you are guilty of that which you accused me of, and *gasp* I wasnt. So keep insulting people. It makes us giggle...
     
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