Hello the forum. I've been driving a redimix truck for the past 5 years.
Two years ago a woman sideswiped my truck. Had my company fixed the dashcam when I told them it would have been open and shut.
Still, the attorneys for the insurance company know I was not at fault. They downloaded information from my truck and the woman's car. It was clear she hit me. I have her deposition, my deposition , and all this info from the case from the attorney showing I was not at fault.
I saw I have one accident on my motor vehicle record. The attorneys say it's no big deal just shows you we one of the parties involved and does not assign guilt.
A driver I work with said I need a copy of something called a " dack" report? What is that and how do I get a copy of it. Are there any other records out there I need to get a copy of? I'm considering going to a different company that pays better but I want to know what's all on my record because of this.
Thank you guys in advance for your replies.
I need advice on driving record
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Steve Aubrey, Jul 14, 2024.
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DAC reports are now called HireRight. DAC/HireRight (hireright.com) just tracks your employment if the company you work for subscribes to DAC. I think maybe 25% of trucking companies report driver info to DAC. A DAC report may list things like start & ending dates of employment, minor incidents like knocking a door off of a trailer, or scratching your company truck. You can get at least 1 free copy of your HireRight.com report every year. You have a right to challenge any inaccurate info on the report. You can ask for inaccurate info be removed from your report. You can also have a brief statement of your given to any employer requesting your DAC report.
Go to HireRight.com and follow links there to get a free report. They can mail a report or give it to you via email. Either way it can take 15 days to see your report, unless they recently made it quicker.Last edited: Jul 14, 2024
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Redi-mix companies are among those least to use and file a termination report with Hire-Rite so nothing should show up until you leave and ONLY then IF they do subscribe.
H-R/DAC deducts $2.50 off the carrier's invoice for every termination form, that's how they built their database.
Tenstreet is another repository to watch out for.OlegMel Thanks this. -
Get a copy of your MVR.
Most companies don't look at DAC.
Local companies could care less.Lav-25 Thanks this. -
Always remember that privacy policies are almost meaningless. Generally they aren't enforceable unless you can show actual monetary damages and that they constitute an actual legal agreement (most times they don't). As the quote in the movie, "The Black Pearl" goes, "we (the employer) like to think of the rules as guidelines". You rarely know if they have been violated, who violated them, and how to put the toothpaste back in the tube if you find out. Basically they are about as useful to you and me as campaign promises. -
Tenstreet uses the FCMSA regulations from Part 391 demanding 100% literal compliance with the regulations.
They do not have an outright monopoly as there are several competitors like HireRight/DAC and another on the west coast that SWIFT uses instead of DAC and Tenstreet.
Tenstreet's anal bent on compliance IS their business model and a number of companies are liking the product.
Actually medium to smaller companies; found to be shaky in compliance by their insurance providers, are being led to use someone like Tenstreet to build a digital Part 391 compliance program to either obtain coverage after big losses -or- to obtain discounted pricing and digital piece of mind.
When I retired, the owners who were watching another similar sized carrier go through insurance directed 'conversion' where a local 'safety program' jobber would scan existing paper Part 391 files and submit them to Tenstreet.
Sort of a 'pay me to get rid of your paper' that roped them into Tenstreet.
I was already a year past my intended retirement and my bosses decided to use this guy and shift to Tenstreet having my train one of the operations personnel to handle the non-Part 391 stuff like IFTA, etc. and attempted to use him as the person to coordinate with Tenstreet.
Post covid they hired someone to be 'safety' in order to have someone wrangling the demands of Tenstreet outside of operations.
Tenstreet's main attraction is they will do most of the 'grunt' work of previous employer checks, etc. plus nagging everyone to get overdue renewed items into the database; items that I spend mucho hours trying to accomplish while Dispatch ignored due dates.
With the FCSA now doing a lot of 'remote' audits the attraction of being able to refer them to Tenstreet's digital memory knowing that they are covered might be 'priceless' to many owners and/or corporate CEO, CFO and more.
Shades of 'Big Brother' in a highly regulated industry, maybe, BUT looking at the FCMSA and the implementation of the Drug and Alcohol clearing house; this might just be part of the future in trucking. -
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Now that you are done with your diversion rant, try addressing a single issue I brought up.
1. Hireiright/DAC is not an application service. It's a records service. I specifically mentioned that you can't apply for almost all trucking jobs without using Tenstreet. I never said Tenstreet was a credit or job history service. Go back up and see for yourself, and note that there is no edit. But I did say that it did keep a record of who I had applied for in the past on their applications (even if I did not authorize that, btw).
Now anybody reading this, except a Tenstreet apologist try this: pick out five or ten typical medium to large trucking companies from your random thoughts and go to their websites. Pull up an application. See for yourself. 99% of the time it will be a Tenstreet application. Maybe 100 percent of the time. No matter what kind of red-herring this guy tries to drag in front of you, you will still see that you cannot apply for almost all medium to large trucking company jobs without applying through Tenstreet. Incidentally, if you run across one that does not do business with Tenstreet, please tell me who they are. I will consider them if and when I return to trucking. I do not appreciate my words being twisted or taken out of context when they were very clear. But that's what dishonest people do.
2. Everybody in the United States is bound by laws. It isn't a matter of agreeing to the FCMSA regulations, it's a matter of how easy it is to enforce them, to actually trace a violation to a particular company (and to prove that particular company is the leak), and to prove monetary damages are warranted. For example, try enforcing the Do Not Call list. It's illegal to make soliciting calls to members, but you'll get them anyway. You can complain, but nothing happens. This is the course of most privacy violations today. I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE AVERAGE PERSON THIS, THEY KNOW IT ALREADY.
A couple years ago I went to AT&T and tried to get phone service. They demanded my Social Security number. I refused to give it to them, so they would not allow me on a plan. Two weeks later, all their data was leaked out. Now I ask you: how many people got financial remuneration for that data leak? A lot of finger-pointing as to who was at fault did not give anyone one thin dime. You got a subscription to a credit monitoring service. I have a non JD legal degree and I can tell you right now that in almost every civil case where no specific monetary damages that can be proven, you will see almost nothing in remuneration for violations of agreements to comply with contracts or even government regulations. And if you do ever get damages, you will spend far more money and time in collecting them than they are worth. If anything ever does happen, I will tell you who will sue and get all the fine damages: the government itself. Not you.
3. Medium to small companies do not share access to trucker records to a ubiquitous internet without a service like Tenstreet in the first place. There are barely any medium-sized companies that don't use Tenstreet any more anyway. If small companies leak information, it's likely a leak to just one other company and the leak would be easy to track back to the source by the nature of the information. Mostly it's just old-fashioned, "what kind of employee was this guy?" It's just crazy to suggest that a small mom and pop company that does not use Tenstreet is a serious invasion to one's online privacy.
I guess the point of the argument here is to be as vague and generalized as possible so as to make a ridiculous argument seem sound. I would implore anyone to use an actual scientific method to test this guy's reactions, beginning with the one above. And do not allow them to supplant my exact wording with red-herring replies. -
I am appalled by the drastic efforts Tenstreet uses to keep their digital records.
Twenty years ago I worked for a carrier using DAC for MVR research which was returned with a short synopsis of the driver history 'completely available' for a price.
I truly feel that Tenstreet IS evil BUT still may be part of the future.
The Pandora's box called Tenstreet is considered by 'management' to be an asset even if my dinosaur self did it all with paper including surviving two weeks of an on-site audit conducted by a Haz Mat specialist.
I'm only here to share 45 years experience mostly in middle management attempting to keep conditions such that our drivers made it home despite dispatch and management's best efforts to the contrary.
Perhaps my input helped others understand your personal contempt of Tenstreet by providing an understanding of the company.
I am not, and never will be a shill for Tenstreet, and I take some umbrage at your insulting indications to the contrary.
Remember they are so entrenched that your one man battle has little meaning to most people and I'm happy this forum allowed you to let off some pressure.Lav-25 Thanks this. -
I do not like monopolies. Tenstreet has a monopoly on trucking applicants. I do not like to see people have to agree to do business with, or to have to share, applicant details with a third-party in order to work for an essentially unrelated employer. As mentioned earlier, any entity that one is essentially forced to do business with in any kind of commerce should be forced to acknowledge basic constitutional rights. For the vast majority of job applicants, there is no opting out of using, and sharing with, Tenstreet, in order to work in about 95 percent of the trucking industry.
I once tried to sidestep them. An employer allowed me to send in a resume. I later found my resume had populated a Tenstreet application, and the employer's local terminal refused any other form of hiring. I was to sign the populated form.
Is it really a contempt for Tenstreet? Do you really like the idea of being forced to do business with a private enterprise? Do you not think America has turned into a corporate oligopoly?
Monopolies rarely have to prove that they've made conditions any better for citizens or workers. When they conduct studies, the studies always mysteriously show that consumers and workers "love them". But for the most part, people don't like them. For example, when Cleveland had traffic cameras, surveys showed that the people "loved them", then when the issue hit the ballot box, they were defeated in vote 2-1. Again, I am not going to address you personally, or any corporation with my reply, but to the average trucker or citizen. The question is, "Do you think you should have a choice whether or not to share your application information with third-parties when filling out an application, or do you think you should not have the right to decide that?" This is the heart of the question that I may be told I am unreasonable if I dare ask it.Lav-25 Thanks this.
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