If you could change the Logs?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Feb 28, 2007.

  1. LogsRus

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    Yeah that is why I say when at shipper/consignee and they hold you up so after scheduled time they should allow some extra time or something.

    Or like someone said pay hourly!
     
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  3. LogsRus

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    Yeah the shipper is one of the biggest issue's and traffic. That is why I feel they should allow some kind of exception rule if you are held up so many hours past the delivery time and they should enforce the shippers/consignee's to make space available for drivers or allow drivers to drive so far to a safe place to rest!

    So you are pretty right for being a professional driver!
     
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  5. Truckerjo

    Truckerjo Road Train Member

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    Okay coming back to this..
    As I said if a driver finds himself getting sleepy and decides to pull over and take a 2 hour nap, lets say this nap will make him late...
    From every companies view is you accepted that load then you should deliver it on time. Well a driver may have excepted that load 6-8 hours ago and now finds himself sleepy had no clue he may feel like this.. Office people don't understand this, let me explain.. Your at your office and I know its happened to you (office people), at some point in time you have found yourself really sleepy, you force your way threw it no big deal.. The issue here is that I don't think is being understood is truck drivers have 80,000Lbs rolling killing machine, they are not sitting at a desk where it is nice and safe to get drowsy. If a driver is not alert them its his life and anybody Else's around him..

    Driver takes a 2 hour nap, that puts him over his 14 and will leave him short 1 hour from the receiver. Company will write this driver up or possible fire him, even though he was making a safety decision that was the right one to chose. (if the 2 hours was added to his 14 he would be able to make it in time for deliver)
    Driver gets stuck in a traffic jam that puts him over his 14 and will leave him short 1 hour from the receiver.. Company will say okay we will reset the delivery time all good.
    Whats wrong with that picture?

    Now you say it takes you 1-2 hours to wind down... Well this is not when you find yourself nodding your head is it? sure it may take that long under normal conditions, but I am talking about the times you find yourself barley being able to keep your eyes open, I would think you probably would find yourself asleep in 20-30 minutes...

    Now I am willing to bet if you ask any driver that has been on the road for awhile, how well will a 2 hour nap work when he finds himself nodding? your going to get pretty much the same answer from everybody, like night and day.. A 2 hour nap can wake you up...
    Power nap (when you don't fall asleep but just lay there with your eyes closed) can even work some times...

    So I would like to see a way for a driver to make a safe decision and not find himself in trouble for doing so.. By adding the 2 hours on top of his 14..

    I also would like to see dock extended times being able to be added onto the 14..

    I am sure you will find drivers abuse the above by trying to say he stayed at the dock for 4 hours (lets say he can gain 2 hours of that back and add 2 the 14) and then say he took a 2 hour nap to extend his 14 to a total of 18 hours. This would need some more thought in order to find a solution for this, but I like the ideal.. perhaps give a driver a 2 time within a 70 hour option to use the 2 hour nap extension, in order to limit abuse of it..

    So what do you think about something like that LogsRus?
     
  6. LogsRus

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    Yes I understand you getting tired in the middle of the trip and want to rest. Funny thing is I do get that tired at work and I have almost fell asleep and unfortunately my life isn't in danger, BUT MY JOB IS WHEN THEY CATCH ME SLEEPING. l.o.l. Yes I understand you need to be able to rest and I totally forgot about you making that statement and this would be a good idea, I miss the 2 hours or more to extend the 14, funny thing is many drivers still cheated (I know some will never stop).

    Good point about the shipper extra time. I didn't think of that, gosh I am getting slow in the old age l.o.l.

    There just has to be something better for these logs to make everyone happy.
     
  7. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    If we didn't have to work around ridiculous shipping and receiving hours, these hours could be easily manageable. I ran Texas to California and Back once a week for quite a while basically on that very same schedule.
     
  8. LogsRus

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    Yeah it would work but unfortunately I don't see how we could change the customers. Some loads work fine with the hours of service.
     
  9. Truckerjo

    Truckerjo Road Train Member

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    I don't think there will be a way to make everybody happy :smt004
    Always going to have those people who are just never happy with anything.:angry1: But I do think we can make them safer and implement a little more flexibility to them with a little thought :evil3: :smt017

    I like my ideals, I know they would help me be safer and help me be more efficient at my job.:thumbup:
     
  10. Horse Hauler

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    I fully agree with Truckerjo. I have often thought about this situation (needing a nap) and how the regulations don't use any common sense.

    If that couldn't be changed I would at least want to make some exemption in the regulations for team drivers to be able to split up driving time. I don't know about other team drivers but I personally can't sleep for eight hours in a moving truck.
     
  11. LogsRus

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    Ok lets all think about this for a minute: Now I am again only throwing my opinion out here, I see how the 5 & 5 split worked, although drivers gripped and said they would not split break and it is stupid to split, they was split breaking then :).
    Anyhow back to what I want to say. DOT did allow time for you to take a nap. In the 14 hour period you have 3 hours to kill. Now unfortunately on the day to load/unload you probably won't get your nap, but if you learn to use the time wisely at the shipper/consignee (sleeper if possible) then you can split break, which means at the end of your 14 take your 8 hour break. You got a break @ the customer and only taking an 8 hour break.

    Just a little thought for the day! YOu know me and that split breaking :biggrin_25520:
     
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