Illegal immigrant truck driver; What?

My ex girlfriend lives in Switzerland, able to become a resident there because as an Italian citizen she is part of the EU. Me ? Not soo much .

Even than it is a very very difficult proposal for her to become a Swiss citizen.

Now Switzerland has enforced borders , much like entering Canada. They are a tiny rich country with no illegals , extremely low unemployment, very well paying jobs with a strong economy and currency.

Their food does not have the hormones and antibiotics that the US has.

Fast food is not a daily diet and obesity and diabetes is one of the lowest in the world.

So you have a guess what her healthcare insurance costs are monthly for a healthy 35 year old non smoking girl?

$275 a month.

So we are talking probably a cost of 900 a month for the average American with their poor eating and health choices and them supporting the 20 percent that are illegal and not paying taxes.

Sounds Affordable to me.

 

You're kind of right but you're kind of wrong. Realistically we can't stop poor people who can get here by land (or less than 200 miles of water) from coming to get a better life. If you were in their shoes you'd do the same thing. So the real question becomes how we want to handle these people.

I have a serious problem with the amount of law breaking going on right now. Generally speaking any time you have a law on the books that millions of people are breaking constantly that law will either no longer generally be observed (see: jaywalking which is basically not a crime anywhere I've ever lived... despite whatever rules are on the books), or if it is an enforced law it will lead to organized criminal activity. Organized criminal activity is CANCER. Forget all the TV shows that glamorize it, these guys are literally the worst.

Organized criminals are good at crime. This is really bad for a lot of reasons, but one of the worst ones is that they can be weaponized by foreign powers. That Coyote who smuggles immigrants across the border? He can also smuggle terrorists if they are willing to pay well enough. And a lot of the time it's a mixed load of migrants and coke/heroin/elephant tranquilizers that killed all those people in Cincinnati this year.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that any time you create any kind of environment for these ######## to thrive they immediately come into contact with and corrupt everything else around them. It's very important that whatever laws we have in place we don't give them anything but simple theft and fraud. Those two will always exist, but we cannot allow them to have businesses that they can sustainably run.

I'm down for stopping them all at the border. I'm down for kicking them all out. I think that will cost a lot of money, but if we could just fix healthcare we could afford it three times a year and not notice. Alternatively we have to give them a way to enter the country legally, be registered, taxed, and in the system. You do not want a bunch of captive workers running around competing with you for work. They need to have all the same protections as other workers or they will be cheaper than our workers and they will underbid the market.

I wish I could tattoo on every legislators forehead: "I will not create new organized criminal enterprises through intellectually lazy legislation". Big enough for at least 3 lines please. If possible tattoo his nose. Thanks!

 

You're also forgetting the part where Switzerland has mandatory military service for all able bodied males (females may volunteer).

 

At least some kind of mandatory public service wouldn't be all that bad here. Make them do 2 years after high school. Vast majority of people are worthless during those two years anyway. This way they can get forcibly mixed up with a bunch of other Americans from random places with random lives. There's a reason we haven't had the solidarity of the WW2 generation since they got old and started dying. They had solidarity because they knew that it was a big world with a lot of people in it. People with different but equally important lives as their own.

That built a lot of social trust. For those who have been paying attention it's been pretty obvious that social trust has been in steady decline since the 1950's. That's actually a serious problem for the whole economy as the conflict that comes from low social trust actually costs money. The problem is that being slightly less trusting than average is really good for a person individually. Of course this creates a tragedy of the commons situation where none of us trust anyone and business becomes much harder to do. Oh well.

EDIT: And we can make those two years a lot less wasted by sneaking in a whole bunch of vocational training. How many people here learned something useful in the military?

 

That brings up a funny (now) anecdote I had to deal with. I was trying to get into college, but kept getting refused because I hadn't signed up for Selective Service. Of course I tried to, but I was too old. Since I came here after 35 years old I was not only exempt from it being mandatory, but I couldn't even voluntarily sign up, which I was willing to do. Now it used to be that you had to get the Selective Service to send you a letter stating all this before the college would accept that exemption. But they changed their system and no longer provide letters, you just have to print out the page that shows your exempt status. Unfortunately the college wasn't aware of this and insisted on the letter. Needless to say I ended up going to a different college that kept up with the current requirements. After two semesters worth of time trying to get this straightened out. And even then at the other college I had to go through a dog and pony show every semester when I signed up for new classes to show I was exempt. Got to the point I'd walk in on registration day, after registering online, but before they could send me the letter asking for this info, with a packet with my exemption from the website, my passport showing the date I entered the country, and my resident card.

That's also why I never did military service. I was ready and willing, but too old for any of the branches to have an interest. Such is life.


Ed

 

^ it's a double edged sword. Especially in this day and age where you have conscientious objectors,people tired of our country going into other countries playing policeman(Iraq for example),etc.(both Vietnam and Iraq left people disenchanted). Plus there are other factors that come into play here. Switzerland can afford to mandate military service because their country is smaller than ours by a wide margin so they don't have that much territory they need to defend. Simple economics of scale.

 

Good point. We have enough legal citizens harming us, we don't need to import others who want to harm us, right? Almost a third of our prisons are full of people who shouldn't even be here.

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...t_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html

http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

FACTS are important. Never mind your liberal talking points that don't match the facts.

Forgot to add: If we take all illegal aliens out of prison and send them back home, and the majority of them come from Mexico, which costs the taxpayers over a billion dollars annually to incarcerate them, take that billion and apply it to building the wall, and in ten years it's paid for indirectly by Mexico by the money we've saved incarcerating their citizens.

 

According to second link you posted there are about 350k illegals in our prisons and jails right now. There are 4.8M total prisoners in US prisons and jails. That's not a liberal talking point those the real numbers. I'm not a liberal either, I just find a lot of the hysteria grating.

I mean seriously the math says 7.3% of our prisoners are illegals. You're saying almost a third. One of those numbers is 4.5 times bigger than the other.

EDIT: After reading the first link I can see how you got fooled. They used an intellectually dishonest thing and broke out federal prisons from state prisons. Of course the federal prisons have a lot of illegals in custody... that's all the people they are in the process of deporting.

You really need to check that illegals murder rate because it doesn't pass the smell test. It's an old red herring thrown out by some anti immigration advocates who would literally say anything to make immigrants look worse. Which is dumb because you don't have to stretch that hard to make a case against letting thousands of semi illiterate people with no language skills show up and compete in the job market pulling the replacement cost of low end employees down to nearly zero. You don't have to look that hard to see that allowing vast numbers of people from corrupt third world countries live in massive communities unassimilated isn't a good idea. You don't have to lie to make that point, it's really self evident. Here's what politifact had to say about it: http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...ancredo-muffs-illegal-immigrant-murder-stats/

You're not wrong that liberals are wrong. You just need to know how wrong they are. They aren't demons out to sell your kids to the devil... They are relatively well meaning if slightly delusional Americans just like yourself. They honestly think they are right. And about a couple of things they are. You're right about a number of things too including the almost funny size of the modern federal government.

 

Real numbers, from your own link.

115 717 murders committed.
25 064 by illegals.

I don't know what school you went to, but I believe 115k is bigger than 25k. Maybe we can get a math wiz in here to confirm. I stand by what I said. Americans kill more Americans than anyone else.

On this topic, I have no issue with deporting those who commit crimes here in the US. Never had an issue with it. Never said we should keep those who are dealing drugs or killing people.

Also, funny, but I don't see any of the 7 countries recently banned on your lists. But hey, reality is fluid right?


Ed

 

Edit: No need to get personal. My apologies.


Ed