You should start building Transformers for a living. There's always a market for stuff like that. I'm sure rock stars would pay top dollar for one of your custom Transformers.
impedance matching Transformers for audio
Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by rabbiporkchop, Apr 13, 2016.
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I'm 99% sure Russ used the 56 transformer in my original Shure 577B. He may have added some other stuff in there too....guess I should open it up and look. All my Astatic 636 mics have them in there also.rabbiporkchop Thanks this.
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Im sure the Astatic mics came out slightly better than the Shure mics. There should be a 25 ohm difference between the two microphones before the Transformer is added equating to a 100 ohm difference between the two microphones after the Transformer was added since it was the same Transformer used in both microphones. Ideally the Shure microphone would have a Transformer with a 3.42:1 impedance ratio as opposed to the 4:1 impedance ratio which that Transformer has. It puts the Shure microphone at 700 ohms and it puts the astatic microphone right at 600 ohms after the conversion is done which is perfect.
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Looks like the Xicon 42TL022 should be perfect for my AKG studio mic.
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Omg rabbi,the mic falls under low impedance which means that the range for the mic to be useful is between <100 ohms and 600 ohms, there is nothing gained by trying to tune it to a precise match of the impedence.
In the case of most telex mics they are specifically made for a range of impedence from 50 to 600 ohms. And most of them function well on the low impedence scale.
Your gain or what you think as a gain will only come with some post processing of the audio coming out of the mic/element. This is how full fidelity is actually achieved. As handlebar mentioned using a one or two stage amp may be a good solution while you could build a simple zero gain amp with wide range to do the same job opposed to trying to build a transformer in hopes to do the same thing. The amp is not all about audio amplification. One reason why it is sometimes better to go that route is you can actually engineer the output impedence for a wider range even precisely than a transformer can do, the other issue is the drive it needs to achieve the conversion with a transformer, many times elements won't drive a transformer to the fullest extent,
And yes I know I could make good money but I lack ambition for this tedious stuff right now, beside testing them, I have two manual winders and a computerized winder that I got from different places through the years, they can do a lot but again it is tedious sometimes.rabbiporkchop Thanks this. -
You could put me to work winding Transformers. I like tedious work. I know I'm being anal but there is a drastic difference between using a bare element and matching the impedance to the input makes a huge difference in the audio level without having to resort to a pre-amplifier.
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Keep in mind this is a truck driver forum. If someone offered you two microphones to purchase and one of them was much louder than the other and crystal clear as well which one would you buy? I would take the latter one personally as long as the Fidelity and Clarity was there
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I could but I won't. I don't have time to do much right now.
Sorry.
I see the point of a bare element but there is not much gained by precise matching when you can use a general transformer to do the job. Too many factors involved.
I know there is a difference but the problem is you are trying to go around an open barn to get to the other side. Most of the time you can not tell the difference or it won't make a difference unless the rest of the audio chain has the same level of fidelity. Your preamp stage in the CB is the limiting factor, not the mic.
I am trying to remember which telex mic you are talking about because if it is the same one i'm thinking, it isn't made for loud but clear with limited bandwidth.
Are you trying to sell mics?
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That is the Transformer I install in all of my microphones. I've done extensive testing with and without the Transformer. The audio output level is unacceptable to me without the transformer. Output level without transformer is comparable to the Astatic 636.
I have no intent of selling microphones. I plan on selfishly clinging to them until I die, and my kids will be free to sell them. Telex Turner road king 56 uses this transformer.![[IMG]](proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi1297.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag25%2Fwapwallopen88%2Fradio%2520stuff%2FDSCN5699_zpsde4xlsry.jpg&hash=7d5c155f5ed3b9a27d75840ffc7333ce)
Telex no longer manufactures it.
Here is the microphone I use.
Elecro-Voice US602tr US602fl US602fh
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Notice the red and yellow wire from the transformer..Last edited: Apr 15, 2016
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OK now I got it. Let me look around this weekend I may have a solution but no guarantees.
So you want something that small (second picture)?rabbiporkchop Thanks this.
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