Increased Milage/APU Idea

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  1. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    I am certainly no electrical engineer so all the watts VS amps VS volts kind of has me at a loss. I'll compile the pieces I plan to use and have my Dad do the math. The battery APU's on the market claim 8 -12 hours use with a set of 4 AGM's.(google nite system or climacab) I can't see where my design would draw much if any more than their units. They are running all the same components just in a different package. As for running it as a primary cooling sytem it would draw amperage from the alternator and re-charge the system. The addition of a propane powered engine with alternator would simply allow for longer duration off-idle times at a reduced cost.


    Pawned mentioned that my idea design was focused on the cooling side and had not adressed the heat. Most APU's are cooling systems primarily which utilize either PTC/ceramic electric heaters or a diesel fired heater like the Espar. Heat is relatively easy to care for. Cooling is and always will be the prime issue in most applications. Unless your an Ice-Road Trucker LOL
     
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  3. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    Read the fine print (I haven't) and see under what parameters they are making such claims (if they even list them). As the old saying goes, "Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure."
     
  4. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I've read some of them, they aren't going to hack it in extreme conditions but then again, what does? Many trucks don't, idling or running, and the APUs don't do that great a job, either.

    Getting back to the thread, why use propane other than for emissions, the energy value of propane is less than gasoline and the per gallon cost is greater in most of the places you can fill bottles.

    Anyone know what CARB compliant gensets cost? Or even a cobbled up high output alternator coupled to a CARB compliant gas engine?
     
  5. Powell-Peralta

    Powell-Peralta Road Train Member

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    i came to this thread a little late. Sorry----i was very busy and actually near death last week among other things........

    Anyways:
    i'm trying to build my own low budget "apu" system as well.

    What is/are your exact goals for this system? Are you trying to eliminate all piston engine idling? (a generator still idles)

    Is your need primarily cooling? What about other things such as TV, computer, food etc?

    2) i don't feel that eliminating the truck's compressor is nessesarily a good idea because while the truck is in operation(driving) i feel this would put too much strain on the secondary sytem in that it would probably be cycling quite a bit. i feel that the on-engine compressor is probably best to use while the engine is running. We can still use the elec compressor for the secondary system.
    We want to conserve as much energy as possible in the batteries so we can have max power to use when we are parked. This apu system should be dedicated to parking only? My opinion.

    a) i don't feel that eliminating the belt/crank driven fan is nessesarily a good idea because: This engine is over 800 CID, it needs a dependable fan that will move ALOT of air. Also, if the engineers could come up with a good electrical fan setup that's more efficient than the conventional belt driven one, i think they would have used it by now.

    i can probably PM you a link to guy who sells/packages/consults all about this type of non-idle solution. He would love to talk your ear off all day. It make take me a while to dig up the link.
     
  6. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    I'm sure their numbers are more sales pitch than reality. My point was merely to say that "my" design would be as efficientas theirs with the components I am considering.

    HO alternators run anywhere from 125 to 250 depending on output.
    Clone honda engines can be had for 150.
    I'd love to talk to someone about my/our ideas. Thats why I started this thread to allow like minds to pick apart each others ideas until a viable remedy could be deduced. Keep it coming guys you know the APU companies aren't on our side. I know we can build an APU for drivers by drivers.
     
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  7. L.B.

    L.B. Third Generation Truck Driver

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    The problem I see is that anything you slap together is going to be a maintainance hog. By the time to add up all the quality components the cost is getting close to what existing systems cost.

    Personally, and I know this doesn't work for you, I like the reefer link idea coupled to a couple of AGM batteries and a Dometic AC unit under the bunk. The inverter I like has the shore power capability so I can plug it in when at home. I also never thought about the small portable gas generator, like this one:
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    It runs less than $300 and I figure you could run it for a few hours a day to charge the batteries up if you have to sit more than a night.
     
  8. L.B.

    L.B. Third Generation Truck Driver

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    Has anybody ever seen the APU Northern Tool sells?

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    Was $5999.99
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  9. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Diamond Power System looks like all the rest of the deisel powered units. Just a slightly different package. Priced slightly lower which is expected now that there are over a dozen to choose from.

    As for "slapping" something together If that was my intention then I wouldn't have spent months doing research. I'd by a gas generator and a window unit. Thats a slap together.

    As for being a "maintenance hog" Again, this whole process of seeking input is to insure minimum mainteance, minimum cost and maximum benefit to ALL OO's.
     
  10. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Have we run out of ideas and critics? Iam in the process of getting with some pro's to help determine exact configurations for the AC lines and electrical needs. Will post info as I gather it.

    Powell any luck finding the link for the guy that does APU consulting?
     
  11. Powell-Peralta

    Powell-Peralta Road Train Member

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    i promise i'll get back to you----just very innudated with work and other things. Veeeryy stressed out.
     
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