Is this normal with a trainer?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by CordonBloo, Nov 12, 2024.

  1. CordonBloo

    CordonBloo Bobtail Member

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    Hi everyone, Im sorry for the long post but I have had such a questionable feeling about this and I was hoping to get opinions from people more experienced than myself as I am a total rookie. I recently got my CDL and have now started on with a mentor, but so far there are things that just feel like a red flag and I would like to know if my feelings are valid or if I need to just get over it and tough it out. Just want to preface this with I am still on my first few days with a mentor, so if I am way off the mark please let me know if Im casting judgements too early. I came in with the knowledge that I am the student and my mentor is the master and that I will be a guest on his truck. I respect that completely and have taken the role of whatever they say in this situation is law. Though I too have been a teacher to many pupils at different ages and levels for the last 18 years now and while the subject matter is different, teaching itself is a skill all on its own independent of subject and it is something I have been very successful at. I am not saying in the least I know more than my trainer because I know for a fact I do not, but I am questioning the method.

    First there are things that are just fundamental: I am expecting to go over the road and wanted to get firsthand experience knowing what that is like and what to expect. My mentor is local, home daily and only does one or two runs a day that last 1.5 hours for the first and 6 hours for the second. So far we have done both of them a day and have been on duty for 11 hours a day the first day and 10 hours the second, only going as far as a state away, then I get to go home every day and have weekends off. I was hoping to get firsthand experience driving through rough terrain with a mentor guiding me eg. Mountains and inclement weather as well as what it is like to park at a truck stop, the etiquette and experience staying for the night but I worry I will not get any of this before being sent out on my own. I hate the idea of just figuring it out as I go, especially something as potentially dangerous as mountain driving.

    Then there are other things that are sticking out as just potential safety hazards. I understand there are things I learned in school that are not as applicable to the real world and because of driver behavior will have to adjust to the real world, but some of it just doesn’t sit right. Here’s what ive experience so far:

    -Pre trip: I understand pre trips on the road might not always be as extensive as what we learned to get our CDL, but I figured they would still be done. Day one there wasn’t even a mention of it when hooking and unhooking to different trailers and taking off. Day two, first thing in the morning my mentor asked me if I remembered how to perform a pretrip. I said yes and asked if we were going to. He said very sarcastically “you can if you want to but im going to sit in here and wait for this timer to be done so we can leave.” He doesn’t do pretrips and just uses those 15 mins to scroll on his phone.

    -The very first thing he said to me when I got on his truck was “whatever you learned in school, its all wrong and we are going to do the opposite because it doesn’t apply to the real world.” Again, I know there are things we learned in school that don’t work in the real world the way that was stated to us, but any mention of school, what we learned or saying/doing anything that even hints at something we learned at school aggravates this person. Just one example of many was me moving over from the right lane when a vehicle with flashing yellow lights was on the shoulder helping another disabled vehicle. His response to that was “ why’d you move over? Let me guess, it was something they taught you in school” in a very annoyed tone. From then on ,I was told not to move over or slow down unless it was a cop because a cop will pull us over. I didn’t even bring up CDL school or if it was something we learned, I just always thought it was something we had to do even in our regular cars.

    - When backing and parking a trailer: I was told not to look back at what the trailer is doing, just focus on him giving me directions. There are times when Im backing that he stands in front of the tractor and instead of wanting me to look at what the trailer behind me is doing or how it is moving and responding to what I do with the steering wheel, Im told I need to focus on him and just doing what he tells me to do. I get that I need a spotter right now, and I trust that, but I worry if I never even look back to see whats going on behind me then Ill never learn how to actually move and park a trailer. It seems hes just teaching me how to listen to him, not how to maneuver trailers into position when hes telling me, literally, to stop looking at the trailer and just focus on him. Then in the process confuses his own left and right, and gets mad at me for following the direction he gave me and not “knowing what he meant.”

    Then there are other things that just make no sense: when we pull into a terminal or yard 3 times now hes gotten mad that I went too far past the place he wanted me to park, or past the trailer we were suppose to pick up, yet never once pointed to the spot or trailer we were aiming for. All Ive gotten has been “Go that way” then a very loud annoyed sigh a short while later and “ I wanted you to park back there.” Im obviously not a mind reader and wouldn’t know that if he doesn’t tell me before I get to the sport or trailer, but it is apparently my mistake when I pass it.

    When I make a right turn, Im told I need to look at the mirror to make sure I pass the curb or anything on that side so I know when to start moving back in from the outside, I agree with this 100%, the problem is he leans so far forward to look in the mirror from the passenger side while I turn that he blocks it and all I see is his backside and the back of his head. Then I get an angry “cut in already.” I brought it up to him and told him he is blocking my view and all he said was I just wasn’t looking.

    Whenever I am driving, my mentor is on one of his two phones scrolling, texting or talking on them. So far almost 100% of the time. The first time we took off on the road he told me he would be on his phone, but that he’ll still be watching, somehow. I have been driving 100% of the time I have been with this mentor and when I have a question while driving or a situation pops up that I would like advice on I get a nice display of theatrics first: a heavy annoyed sigh, him exaggerating pausing whatever video he is watching, takes his headphones out then a short “what did you say?” It really feels like I am out there driving alone already and that I cant approach him with anything.

    Another situation we ran in to was on a road with a 25 mph speed limit. I was already going 28 and he was telling me to go faster. I told him I don’t think I should and pointed out the speed limit sign and told him I was already going over it. He got annoyed that I questioned what he told me to do and said “Really? The speed limit sign is what youre going to tell me when I drive this road every day?”

    My last questionable thing I was told, I think I see the merit to it: when youre on a road that merges together like an onramp or when cars are trying to move into your lane, don’t slow down to avoid them, its up to them to avoid you because youre going to wreck the trailer.” I get that as a tractor/trailer its much harder for us to maneuver around vehicles and dodge on a whim, so I can see why he would say that, but I think the reason I was given, might be a little off. I also don’t want to cause an accident or lose my job/license before I even get started.

    I can tell he is not very fond of me, getting annoyed when I ask questions, expecting me to know the answer to something he hasn’t shown me yet and I didn’t learn in school. I was told verbatim that I am horrible at backing, which if its true I don’t mind hearing because its something I need to work on, but I have been only following his direction, so if its wrong then that really reflects on what I am told to do. Either way, I don’t need him to like me and that is no issue at all, I am just trying to get past this and move out on my own but I cant tell if this is normal or if my thoughts of this being off are valid. I am willing to just tough it out, and I am not one to cause arguments, but I worry I will not learn what I need before going out on my own, and if the childish reactions continue then there will be a point where I wont be able to just grin and bear it anymore, and I don’t want that to cause awkward abrasion for the month I am with my mentor.
     
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  3. lual

    lual Road Train Member

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    If you are with a decent carrier -- it's okay to go back to them, & ask for another trainer.

    My trainer back at Schneider....while nothing to wrote home about....was much better than what you've described above.

    -- L
     
  4. Lennythedriver

    Lennythedriver Road Train Member

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    Perfectly ok to ask for another trainer with most companies: one thing you said they caught my attention though, going legit OTR, for three weeks or more out on the road gets old real quick. I’d count my blessing on the home daily setup you got for the training. I recall every second years ago doing three weeks straight with my trainer and although he was a good guy and I respected him, it’s still living in a small space with another dude. And it got OLD, never slept right either.
     
  5. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

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    Soft responses so far.

    That trainer/mentor is junk, pure and simple. The OP needs to get a responsible and dedicated trainer.

    I had someone in the company I could go to for concerns like this. Basically, my DM during training.
    The OP should just point that person to this thread so they don't have to explain everything over the phone, as this post explains everything so well.

    And get an actual OTR trainer. That local stuff will not get you ready for anything if you are going OTR.
     
  6. silverspur

    silverspur Road Train Member

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    You're dealing with a narcissist, a psychic leech who feeds off your pain and suffering. As a trainer. he's worked himself into a position where his victims are being fed to him on a regular basis, and you're just another victim to this psychopath. Not the first, definitely not the last, and when he gets through with chewing you up , spitting you out and picking his teeth with your bones the company will send him a new victim to abuse. Fresh meat!

    When I started trucking, I thought a narcissist was just someone that admired their appearance in a mirror, but the internet (youtube) has revealed a personality type that has been studied extensively in the past few decades by the mental health profession and also by the people that have been victimized by these dark creepy people.

    When the light shines on these ####roaches they never admit their guilt. They're experts on flipping every situation and blaming the other guy or the circumstances for what went wrong.
     
  7. Jamie01

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    Aside from everything about this particular trainer, I don't see how being with a local driver prepares you for OTR. Besides truck stop etiquette, you need to learn how to trip plan so you can choose a route and decide where and when to park so you can most efficiently use your hours of service. I've been driving 3.5 years but all local home daily, and I wouldn't have a clue how to do any of that.
     
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  8. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    Yep. He’s doing everything he can to push OP’s buttons. Thing is, if someone can push your buttons, they can control you. That ain’t cool. On the good note, your trainer is impatient and hotheaded…really easy to push his buttons. Next time you’re trying to scan that right side mirror and you need him to sit back, tell him to sit back. He will start mouthing something, don’t respond. Zero reaction. Stop the truck and wait for Mr Impatient to lose his ship.

    Do the full on DOT inspection next pre trip. He will lose his ship. No reaction by you and his buttons constantly being pushed should make him pop a circuit. Should be fun.
    Oh, be sure to mention the school every time you can.

    Luck in battle.
     
  9. dosgatos

    dosgatos Medium Load Member

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    Get another trainer.
     
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  10. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    You need another trainer, most of what you describe, and you describe it very well, is your trainer being lazy or complacent which can come from doing the same thing every day alone or not trying to train but him just trying to have the easiest day possible. MOST trainers are just standard drivers that have reached some milepost of accident-free driving, like 60 days or 6-9 months. Sharing a truck with another man is not easy and people that are attracted to driving, as a rule, are not highly social or hoping to have another person 2 feet away all day, every day. Almost every company could use many more trainers. Is your company planning on you going solo OTR when your time with this local trainer is over or putting you with an OTR trainer? Don't assume an answer, ask the company. Your trainer is a hothead so arguing will not achieve anything positive for you. Ask questions calmly, ignore the emotional content from him and use his answer, if you can. If you are not getting OTR training afterwards you need to decide if getting another trainer will be of enough benefit to warrant the minor-to-major excrement storm that MAY happen if you ask to change trainers, or can you sit unpaid long enough for the next trainer to become available. SOMETIMES the shortest way through Heck is to keep going. If you cannot do that, or the situation is dangerous, or his temper is too much, etc, then you need a new trainer.

    You should do things like the school showed you, not like the trainer is demonstrating. I played up the "I'm not very smart, I am still learning, and ask lots of questions" because often with hotheads any resistance to them just greatly escalates the emotional and unhelpful features that don't help anyone, especially in a small space for hours and hours. When it comes to backing, do it VERY slowly and stop immediately if you can't see what you want to see in your mirrors, whether it's because the trainer is blocking the mirror or something else. If you hit something while following verbal commands or while someone is throwing arm signals like a 3rd base coach, you are still 100% responsible. You need to see the trailer corner/tandems or be stopped until you can see them. Backing is the most dangerous thing you will do in trucking, besides eating or getting married. Lots of less talented or less able people have learned this job, so you will learn it also. Your trainer and your company's ways are just their ways. Maybe they are good, maybe they are not good. Maybe they are legal, maybe they are not legal. When you are solo you will have more ability to perform as the regs require and/or your school explained. Never confuse the trainer or company procedures for the regulations. Nobody is avoiding a ticket by saying "but that's what they taught me." The FMCSA green book is what you will be judged by and meeting appointment times. It gets better. This is usually the hardest part for most drivers. It's temporary.
     
  11. Lennythedriver

    Lennythedriver Road Train Member

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    Also this is a classic case of just worry about you. YOU do the inspections the way you are supposed to. That’s all you need to worry about. Get your training done. Honestly you’re going to figure most of the real ins and outs by jumping in the deep end once on your own. Just the way it is. Don’t do anything unsafe, and get through it
     
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