Legal Question

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by RayT70, Nov 18, 2013.

  1. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    I agree with the sticky idea. Just post the CURRENT FMCSA rule and close the thread.

    The rule USED to read, "must be inside the rub rail if possible". And now they have rescinded that rule.
     
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  3. saddleup

    saddleup Light Load Member

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    If possible is the key word, not all trailer are designed to have the strap hook under the side, and also has to to be rated for securement.
     
  4. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    I got pulled over the other day by our commercial carrier enforcement officer of my town. He pulled me over because I had one strap on the outside of rub rail and not inside of it. Because I live on the next block from him, he cut me a break after I took the strap off and put it on the inside of the rail. He gave me the Michigan load securement manual which is actually the FMCSA manual and it is clear what I had to do.

    From the FMCSA manual - All tiedowns and other components of a cargo securement system must be located within the rubrails (when present). This requirement does not apply when the width of the load extends to or beyond the rubrails.

    Now the other thing that I tried to tell the other driver who says he has years of experience with flatbed work is we don't use the rub rail for the anchor point of the chains or binders, seeing that my truck has come back with the rub rails bent up from him just doing that. I don't think they are intended to stop a 18,000 lb piece of steel from moving when wrenched down with such force as to bind the binder up where you have to use a long pipe to break it loose.
     
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  5. RayT70

    RayT70 Road Train Member

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    I've worked for two trucking companies so far. Swift and now Melton. Both have trained me to use the rub rail as the anchor point. The hook wraps around the rub rail. Even though I place the part of the strap that extends over the load on the inside, it still wraps around the outside. It could still potentially break off if I rub against something. Are both companies wrong? The only other option is to secure it to the winch track, but Melton uses aluminum trailers, and to do that with all the straps could bend the track. Is there some sort of provision that if there is no other way it is permissible?
     
  6. MJ1657

    MJ1657 Road Train Member

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    This thread will never die..............
     
  7. RayT70

    RayT70 Road Train Member

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    Well, at least I'm not the only flat-bedder in the world that isn't sure. According to this

    It should be illegal to wrap the hook around the rub rail shouldn't it? What other option is there?
     
  8. Giggles the Original

    Giggles the Original Road Train Member

    what good is hooking a chain gonna do if its hooked to the rubrail???
     
  9. RayT70

    RayT70 Road Train Member

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    I was referring to the straps. Straps have hooks to you know. I usually wrap the chain around the spool which brings me to another question. Is it a DOT violation to use a stake pocket rather than a spool to anchor a chain?
     
  10. MJ1657

    MJ1657 Road Train Member

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    One of our trailers has a sticker on it instructing you to wrap chains around the stake pocket. It also states the WLL of that method of securement.
     
  11. Giggles the Original

    Giggles the Original Road Train Member



    really???? tell me more
     
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