Legal Question

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  1. RayT70

    RayT70 Road Train Member

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    Thanks, is the WLL different then that of a spool?
     
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  3. RayT70

    RayT70 Road Train Member

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    Tell me more, tell me more
    Did you get very far?
    Tell me more, tell me more
    Like does he have a car?
    :headbang:
     
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  4. Giggles the Original

    Giggles the Original Road Train Member


    bad part...i know where you got that from....LOL
     
  5. MJ1657

    MJ1657 Road Train Member

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    I'm not sure. Its a Transcraft and doesn't have spools.
     
  6. Ridgeline

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    I understand but they are actually wrong in doing so.

    Here is how it is explained to me, when you have 1/4 flat stock used as rub rails with anchor points at 12 to 18 inches, the amount of stress that flat stock can take is less than the anchor point which if the round anchor point welded 360 degrees or if a socket welded about 80% of the circumference. In the case of an aluminium trailer, the winch track is just a better place because it has a constant contact with the trailer and is normally thicker than the rub rail.

    I too am speaking of straps when they are used but my issue with the other driver is with chains, he has bent up the rub rails and I know the forklift drivers at the shippers, they are careful loading the truck because they don't want an 18,000 lb die falling off the truck or lift.

    As for the DOT and sockets being used, I am told that is alright.
     
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  7. saddleup

    saddleup Light Load Member

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    this is directly from FMCSA web site

    Proper Use of Tiedowns
    The new regulations require each tiedown to be attached and secured in a manner that prevents it from becoming loose, unfastening, opening or releasing while the vehicle is in transit. All tiedowns and other components of a cargo securement system used to secure loads on a trailer equipped with rub rails must be located inboard of the rub rails whenever practicable. Also, edge protection must be used whenever a tiedown would be subject to abrasion or cutting at the point where it touches an article of cargo. The edge protection must resist abrasion, cutting and crushing.

    Unrated and Unmarked Anchor Points
    FMCSAs cargo securement rules do not require rating and marking of anchor points. While the agency encourages manufacturers to rate and mark anchor points, the new rules do not include a requirement for ratings and markings.


    So as to FMCSA regs the anchor point does not require a rating
     
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  8. saddleup

    saddleup Light Load Member

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    Best thing is to carry the spiral bond book not the drivers copy, the big book can be bought from JJ Keller, thats where we get ours from for the office $50 or under and it has the Fed's interpitation, not Leo's on the side of the road and yes they have to go by Fed's thinking on the issue at hand.
     
  9. RayT70

    RayT70 Road Train Member

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    Is it considered impracticable if the only other option is to use the aluminum winch track which may bend as a result?
     
  10. Giggles the Original

    Giggles the Original Road Train Member

    personally i dont like chains, handcuffs are better:biggrin_2555:
     
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    saddleup Light Load Member

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    also for those that still haul crushed cars on flat or step.

    Specific Securement Requirements by Commodity Type

    § 393.132What are the rules for securing flattened or crushed vehicles?(a) Applicability. The rules in this section apply to the transportation of vehicles such as automobiles, light trucks, and vans that have been flattened or crushed.(b) Prohibition on the use of synthetic webbing. The use of synthetic webbing to secure flattened or crushed vehicles is prohibited except that such webbing may be used to connect wire rope or chain to anchor points on the commercial motor vehicle. However, the webbing (regardless of whether edge protection is used) must not come into contact with the flattened or crushed cars.(c) Securement of flattened or crushed vehicles. Flattened or crushed vehicles must be transported on vehicles which have:(1) Containment walls or comparable means on four sides which extend to the full height of the load and which block against movement of the cargo in the forward, rearward and lateral directions; or(2)(i) Containment walls or comparable means on three sides which extend to the full height of the load and which block against movement of the cargo in the direction for which there is a containment wall or comparable means, and(ii) A minimum of two tiedowns are required per vehicle stack; or(3)(i) Containment walls on two sides which extend to the full height of the load and which block against movement of the cargo in the forward and rearward directions, and(ii) A minimum of three tiedowns are required per vehicle stack; or(4) A minimum of four tiedowns per vehicle stack.(5) In addition to the requirements of paragraphs (c)(2), (3), and (4), the following rules must be satisfied:(i) Vehicles used to transport flattened or crushed vehicles must be equipped with a means to prevent liquids from leaking from the bottom of the vehicle, and loose parts from falling from the bottom and all four sides of the vehicle extending to the full height of the cargo.(ii) The means used to contain loose parts may consist of structural walls, sides or sideboards, or suitable covering material, alone or in combinations.(iii) The use of synthetic material for containment of loose parts is permitted.
     
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