Let's get creative, no CDL...

Discussion in 'Car Hauler and Auto Carrier Trucking Forum' started by TurningLeafAutomotive, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. TurningLeafAutomotive

    TurningLeafAutomotive Bobtail Member

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    Okay so I don't want a CDL license. Let's get that out of the way. I own a small towing company and have been hauling with my extra rollback. Have my DOT and MC. I'd like to haul more than one on the bed and one on the wheel-lift. The rollback weighs 14k lbs, so even if I tried to pull a two-car trailer on a ball-hitch, I'd be well over 26k lbs with three cars.

    What's the most reasonable way to haul

    Trailer is about 100lbs per foot, so a 30 foot trailer is 3k lbs.

    Dually pickup: 9k lbs
    40ft trailer: 4k lbs

    That makes 13k lbs and leaves another 13k lbs for vehicles. I could do three cars or small suvs with that, but when we start talking trucks and large suvs, I hit CDL level pretty quick.

    I don't need a cushy pickup as my F550 rollback isn't the model of comfort. I'm thinking there's got to be chassis cabs (fuso, isuzu, etc) that used to have beds/boxes on the back that might be wrecked and could be had for cheap-ish, that a gooseneck mount could be installed. Maybe these would be lighter?

    Any creative ideas? Not looking to pull the trigger quick here, rather brainstorm and learn what you folks have to say.

    Thanks.
     
  2. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Weight doesn't matter nearly as much as weight rating does. If you get a trailer with a weight rating of 10,000 or less pounds you will be golden. Of course you have to be careful to not overload it at that rating.
    If the trailer rating is one pound more in weight OR weight rating you will need a CDL
     
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  3. TurningLeafAutomotive

    TurningLeafAutomotive Bobtail Member

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    Thanks ZVar. Okay so I'm more ignorant than I thought here... from Wikipedia...

    (Need a cdl for) "any vehicle towing a trailer with a Gross Trailer Weight over 10,000lbs where the combination weight is greater than 26,000lbs."

    So without a CDL, I can't have a trailer that itself plus cars (all together) weighs more than 10k lbs? If so that means a 4k lb trailer (40ft/3cars) would only be able to handle another 6k lbs, certainly not enough for 3 cars.
    With the above is true and then it seems that without a CDL the most vehicles I can haul on a trailer will be two, is this correct?

    the alternative interpretation of the statement from Wikipedia is that the combination of truck and trailer weight matters, not just the trailer. For example the truck weighs 9k, and the trailer with cars weighs 13k (even if it's rated for 10k, safety aside), is be at 22k, less than 26k. With this interpretation I would not need a CDL.

    How to interpret?

    I'm realizing my initial question is ignorant to weight ratings. Somebody school me!!!

    Thanks,

    Erik
     
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    Reason for edit: Did some research :)
  4. Lite bug

    Lite bug Medium Load Member

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    Check with your state on the registration. I have F350 GVWR of 11,200 and a Trailer GVWR of 14,000 and I am registered under 26,000 lbs in the state of Ohio. If you are trying to stay under 26 no IFTA no IRP once you establish yourself in your location, brokers will think of you when they have light stuff to be moved. When that happens less fuel cost less strain on equipment. Now if you are OTR then it becomes more of a challenge picking off the boards.
     
  5. TurningLeafAutomotive

    TurningLeafAutomotive Bobtail Member

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    Okay so the North Carolina commercial class A CDL states as follows,

    "Required for any combination of vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more (provided the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle or vehicles being towed is more than 10,000 pounds)

    So is the following interpretation correct? Say my truck GVWR is 10k and my trailer GVWR is 15k. As long as the combined GVWR does not weigh more than 26k, I'm good, right?

    Piggybacking on that question, what if I tip the scales at 25.5k?
     
  6. Lite bug

    Lite bug Medium Load Member

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    There is a sticker on your door. That sticker is what they go by when you are at the scales. Then your trailer GVWR plus your truck. A guy from NC used to post here all the time, he ran a one ton plus a two car trailer ran under 26. I have not seen him here for a long time.
     
  7. TurningLeafAutomotive

    TurningLeafAutomotive Bobtail Member

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    Okay, hmm, my rollback has a GVWR of 19k or something. If I'm over that at the scales it's a problem? I routinely go over that.

    Back to the truck and trailer scenario, say my truck shows a GVWR of 10k and my trailer has a GVWR of 10k, but I top the scales at 22k, that's a problem then, right?

    Or are you saying the truck's sticker has a GVCWR, say of 20k. Trailer has a GVWR of 10k. I weigh in at 22k, but I know my trailer is still under 10k (I know that's a heavy dually truck, but it's a hypothetical example).

    Sorry for the nuanced examples, but this is all new to me.
     
  8. Ziggy319

    Ziggy319 Medium Load Member

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    Not to bust your bubble. But 40ft trailer will not fit 3 cars.
     
  9. TurningLeafAutomotive

    TurningLeafAutomotive Bobtail Member

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  10. Lite bug

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    I ran a while before I really these GVWR and all. Matter of fact I got a $1000 ticket in Illinois, from a tax enforcement officer. The conversation went something like this. Officer...the reason I stopped you is you don’t have IFTA sticker. Me...I’m under IFTA ( there was traffic noise and he did not hear my response) Officer...the reason I stopped you is you don’t have IFTA sticker. Me...Big Guy, I am not under IFTA. Officer....What did you call me? So we went back and forth and after I showed him my paperwork work I said see I am not under IFTA. He says I think you are and writes me this ticket. Well there was some more colorful exchanges between the two of us and he even ask me if I wanted to go to jail. The ticket was dismissed as I sent all my paperwork to the state as well as laden and unladen weight. That was soon experience.
     
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