Let's Make Rules Up As We Go Along.....

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by JimDriv3r, Dec 5, 2010.

  1. HoosierHunter

    HoosierHunter Light Load Member

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    The driver fitness has nothing to do with BMI,weight, or neck size as most drivers believe.
     
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    I haul special commodity bulk.......

    We buy a yearly blanket overweight permits that allow for 5% over......either gross or axle......up to 84K.


    Except on the Interstate. It also allows you to run weight zoned roads and bridges without getting a ticket.

    We get a sticker that goes on the left hand side of the windshield.
     
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    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    Yep nice picture and graph!
    BUT nowhere is there a "NEW RULE"
    It's just a new way to collect data on drivers which in turn is then added to the drivers government file and also the company he drives for.

    All CSA (drop the 2010) will do is be like what DAC is.
    A report on the driver.
    It makes no rules but reports on what FMCSA and state and federal laws were broken by the driver.

    Let's face it. We have been lucky for all of our lives as drivers who screwed the pooch so to say. It was the companies who took the fall for most of what we as drivers did such as:
    -Pulling a load without weighing it.
    -Bad equipment on the road. NOW:You're responsible for the truck. If that company doesn't want to fix something covered in FMCSA after a PTI when reported and you drive it, it's on you first then the company. Think before releasing that brake!
    -bad medical card; it's in your pocket look at it.
    -CDL expired or with no air brakes or endorsement for equipment driven

    WE always got stuck with the speeding tickets but now instead of just going on your MVR it's on that CSA report
    so is the accident you have
    the following to closely
    or any ticket you get with your name on it. It's now reported and we get a score as to how safe we are and all this will add up to one thing. You losing your job and NOT getting UE!
    Yes it will happen. Why?
    Because you did NOT follow the rules and got fired for being..well for the lack of words or for a better reason..STUPID!

    Yes. It's time we all sat down and start with that first book you had to read which was the drivers license book for that car! It has the BASIC rules of the road we all should be following. Then the CDL manual and after that the little green,yellow,red or whichever book covers your job that the FMCSA covers. You know the one with such numbers as 393.000 and all the others.

    Every year there are changes made to it. It's now our responsibility to get the newest updates to the "rules of our trade" and stay up on them! Hopefully your company will issue new ones when they change rules or we'll be stuck with that cost also. Best to keep a link to the FMCSA website and sign up for updates which believe it or not you can do! Gotta love the internet!

    These are the things that CSA will be reporting on and if you don't screw up then you don't get a report.
    That simple.
    Things like that idiot that has that website called "watch my truck" that videos drivers doing stupid things and yes they are as well you can see what they do! Everything he films even thought he's breaking laws or rules of the road are what we can be written up on. You get ticketed on something because you're in a hurry then you lost time by sitting there with that cop on your ICC writing a ticket and you now get a ding on not only that DAC but the CSA! Letters and more letters we have to keep up on!

    Not to forget that now companies have a reason to hire ONLY those with the best or lowest CSA scores! Seeing how they "inherit" your score do you think they want that go getter with 20 or however many points he has because he never misses an appointment, can make that logbook look so good, speeds, can't weigh a load, tailgates pushing 4 wheelers down the road or just being a "Cowboy," moron or "Billy Big Rigger?"..... I don't think so!

    The days of Billy Big Rigger are over.

    It's now, toe the line or lose your job.
    If you can't follow the rules and get caught there is no one to blame but you.
    Might as well stop crying if you can't "buckle under to the new society" because it's here.
    But again CSA has no rules. It only reports on the ones already written.
    Complain about the FMCSA and their ever changing world of perfection!
     
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    Check where it mentions CARGO..........that includes a LOT of things.


    Weight being one of the things.
     
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    I also forgot to add that the recruiter mentioned that those two citations carry over to their company if I were to be hired. So, a company that has a pretty bad score probably had alot of bad drivers. You can't blame the company for hiring people that made constant mistakes, got into horrible wrecks and cost the company money, etc. I'm sure as hell not sticking around this company for another 2 years. That's too much punishment!
     
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    So I got an overweight ticket that was charged to the company. How do I get points for it when my name wasn't on the ticket?
     
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    JimDriv3r Road Train Member

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    Man, you got lucky! So, your name wasn't anywhere on the ticket? I've never had tickets that were written out to someone else. My two tickets that I got at the beginning of the year are the only ones that I have so far in a five year span.
     
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    This CSA thing is designed to put the smaller companies out of business so that the Mega Big ones who already get Gov. kick backs can run the roost!
     
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    Too much weight on a tire rated 1000 pounds less than that could explode causing you to lose control maybe killing that family of illegals
    or the axle breaking and it gouges the road surface and the load falls off or over or something
    you break a bridge by being over weight or cause rutting on hot asphalt with all that excess weight. (LOL)

    It all boils down to those rules! If everyone were to put whatever they wanted in the trailer, then roads get damaged. equipment on the truck fails that could put you and the public in danger or anything else you can think of.
    It's the rules we work by. We all know about them from the shipper to the drivers so we can complain as much as we want. They can write them but we can't change them. We all know the stupidy of some of them, if it's ok in Virgina but California thinks it not good and has their own rule for it we're stuck with it.
     
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    Well, I drive a dump truck and I couldn't imagine what this would do to our industry.

    The whole system is already screwed up because of the bridge laws. I can pull out of the quarry with a load of limestone under my gross weight but still be over weight on 1 axle and not even know it because I have no way to weigh each axle separate. I think there is some math formula you can use, but it's hard to understand. Hell, if I could do math formulas I sure as hell wouldn't be drivin a dump truck now would I!

    Now add this points for overweight business to the mix and sounds like many drivers that aren't math whizzes will be screwed.
     
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