Local shop built glider kit, eld exemption

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  1. manisa

    manisa Bobtail Member

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    hi everyone. i found some cascadias 2010-2012 and so. Local mechanics put 1997-1998 engines on these trucks. The trucks working on the road fine but there are no stickers on the engine. They are eld exempt because of the engine years but there is no way to prove it because neither freightliner nor detroit give out those stickers anymore. Moreover, dot requires the carrier company of the glider kit truck to carry the documents related to the manufacture of the glider kit and the engine work in the files. These trucks have none of these documents. This is the same issue for a lot of original glider kit trucks on the road, too. Most of them have no papers from the dealer who built them. When the officer stops you, how will they determine this engine is 1999 and older. I know the serial number is stamped on the block but i dont think he will take that number and run in a system and find out the year. Probably he will give a warning and will ask the company to prove the engine is eld exempt but most companies dont have any papers for this. What do you guys think about this issue? I know this is an issue not known by many people so can you make some research before answering. Thanks.
     
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  2. starmac

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    You can get the build date with the serial number. The dot will never get it for you, you will have to run that down your self.
     
  3. Chinatown

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    Maybe "RigDig" website?
     
  4. starmac

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    I don't know about that, but I know cummins and cat, can tell you where and when an engine was built by the serial number on the block, I would imagine detroit can too.
     
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  5. manisa

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    They tell the year but they wont give out those stickers. Also remember, eld exempt company needs ti have those papers from the dealer who built the glider kit.
     
  6. starmac

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    Iirc when I read the law, it just stated you had to keep proof of the engine build date in the truck, I know it didn't say anything about stickers or even where it came from.
     
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  7. Dino soar

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    I don't know that it's legal to do that.

    I know there has been a lot of discussion about it because the regulations seem to to say it's the year of the engine that dictates whether it is ELD exempt... But I don't think that repowering a truck is the same as it being a glider.

    As far as I know any truck that has Emissions on it you cannot just put an older engine in it and call it a glider.

    It may be why those trucks are sold without any documentation.

    If it were legal, I would think it would be no thing for the local shop to give you certification that they created a glider.

    But like I said, I don't believe that repowering the truck is the same as it being a glider.

    At least in the state of Pennsylvania, all gliders are reconstructed vehicles. They have a reconstructed title and I believe the VIN number ends in GL.
     
  8. Studebaker Hawk

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    I don't know who told you the stickers are unavailable. Freightliner cannot give them out, they did not build the engine.
    There is a procedure a Detroit Diesel dealer follows to get a replacement decal. It costs $150 and must be installed by the dealer after they determine the EPA model year of the engine.
    There are many cases where the existing decal becomes illegible and must be replaced.
     
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  9. starmac

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    Right here it is, and the proof, does not have to be in the truck, but documentation of when you changed the motor has to be kept at the carrier.


    When does the pre-2000 model year exception apply?
     
  10. manisa

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    It is legal or not, ir it doesnt matter which local shop built those uncertified gliders. You can even built one yourself in your backyard, which thousands of people have been doing it for many years. DOT does not check that, it is EPA's responsibility. The law might differ from state to state. My question is "how will the officer determine the engine year without the papers, which most gliders currently dont have?"
     
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