Logbooks Should Be Banned

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Rob G, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. Rob G

    Rob G Light Load Member

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    If logbooks were used as a template for safety, not a rule, and a driver was held accountable for his/her own individual actions, instead of making laws to penalize all of us, the "one bad apple thing", then according to the current CSA scoring system, it wouldn't take long for the bad drivers to get weeded out and the roads would be a lot safer. Not to mention the monumental increase in industry production across the board. Such as ontime delivery and adequate rest in particular.

    The inherent problem would be shippers, recievers, and carriers pushing and pushing and pushing. There would have to be regulations imposed on them to protect the drivers. Instead of more and more regulations being imposed on the drivers and slowing everything down.

    A logbook can tell a driver when they can drive and when they can't, but, it cannot wake them up or make them go to sleep. And finding a parking place has become a nightmare.

    Logbooks get people killed.

    Say what you will. I know it's coming.

    That's my honest opinion.

    God Bless and Be Safe.
     
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  3. walstib

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    >>>>A logbook can tell a driver when they can drive and when they can't, but, it cannot wake them up or make them go to sleep. And finding a parking place has become a nightmare.

    Electronic logs won't solve any of these problems...
     
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  4. Rob G

    Rob G Light Load Member

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    Exactly. I was not saying that to be "pro" E-Logs. They should be done away with except for a driver wanting to use the H.O.S. rules for "guide" not a rule.
     
  5. Scalemaster

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    Unfortunately, too many people do not want to use the HOS rules as a guide, or even common sense.

    Do you really think that in the current "paid by the mile" system, if the HOS rules were dropped, that fatigue related accidents and fatalities would not skyrocket?

    How do you figure that?
     
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  7. Rob G

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    Because drivers either drive when the logbook says they can or they get fired or get slapped on the back of the hand like a 5 year old by the carriers, by getting given crap runs or made to sit. Too many times the problem of no sleep or not enough sleep arises and drivers are compelled to drive anyway. I know drivers are supposed to "say no", but if you are realistic, how many don't "say no" for fear of losing their jobs? It's not a perfect world, but letting a driver decide for themselves if they are capable of driving safely is a lot more safe than telling them they HAVE TO when they are not.
     
  8. ronin

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    Yeah, pretty silly statement, sounds like my kids when they were 12-13, I wouldn't take them to the mall to hang with their friends all the time, or give them an endless supply of money... that life was "not fair!"... and "when I'm 18, I'm going to do what I want.

    If logbooks and/or HOS went away, you'd likely have about 5% of the drivers out there pulling normal shifts... especially our friends from across the pond (both ponds) who try to get past every rule and regulation as it is.
     
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  9. ronin

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    I think you're skipping the part where it's the driver's responsibility to GET SOME REST during that 10 hour break so they can be rested and ready for their next run.

    Getting some rest doesn't include staying for hours in the casino, throwing coins into the slots, chasing hookers, or sitting at the counter at the truckstop telling a never-ending stream of trucker lies all night.
     
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  10. Scalemaster

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    Sounds like your beef is with a carrier, not with log books.
     
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  11. lostNfound

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    I think there is some merit to the idea presented by the OP, but it needs more substance.

    I think the single biggest obstacle to his idea is the quality and education/knowledge of drivers and employers in this industry, and I think that the most common compensation model is largely to blame.

    No matter the profession you will always have participants that flaunt the rules, be it doctors, lawyers, accountants, law enforcement, etc., or truck drivers, so let us not focus on them. The requirements in order to gain a CDL or an authority are a joke. Seriously. The trade-off for that is the heavy-handed regulation to ensure everyone toes the line. What if, instead of that model, some of the funds being spent on enforcement were re-directed into a more "preventative medicine" approach? What if there was significantly more emphasis placed on creating a "gold standard/red seal/best practises" qualification model that is standardized across the industry? What if the focus of "competition" (revenue) moved from the road (chasing or offering the lowest rate) to getting into this industry? I'm not suggesting that we try to exclude anyone, but that we create a model that raises the standards of all those that want to participate... and makes it more difficult for the marginal ones (or those that have the express intent to operate as "outlaws") to exist.

    The sad reality is that it would require turning the industry on its head and all of the current participants, from the truck cab to the scalehouse to the board room to Wall Street to Capitol Hill are so entrenched as to make that virtually impossible. It would require a monumental paradigm shift in the current approach... the U.S. (and Canada) has a "let's have a bit of a free-for-all and we'll clean up the mess after it happens" mentality, rather than an investing in the future approach.

    IMHO.

    YMMV.
     
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