I've always been under the assumption that it's basically whether or not there's an assumption of public access. Doesn't have to be specifically stated, guard shack, etc.. Just has to fit what a typical person would consider to be only for authorized persons/vehicles.
Drop lot with no gate, but obviously meant for only leasees and their property? eligible
Company terminal? Assumed to only be used by approved drivers and therefore, yard move eligible.
Truck stop? Public access and not eligible.
Customer property? Authorized vehicles only and eligible.
Going down a public road to get from one warehouse to a satellite warehouse? Not eligible
Logging Yard Move Clarification
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Grumppy, Feb 15, 2024.
Page 2 of 3
-
Hatt91, austinmike, Jamie01 and 1 other person Thank this.
-
Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds
Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.
-
To me, general public use is straightforward lol. Not sure why your safety department is up in arms about it meeting all criteria when there's "or" in the definition. It's common sense that someone's house isn't open to the general public, so most people don't put private property signs on their front door. Same for a warehouse or company yard.
tarmadilo Thanks this. -
Thanks @gentleroger
@Thrasher28 To be clear, they aren't saying its got to be all three, but it has to be at least one or the other, of the three.
But they are saying it has to be specific.
A "Gate".. they arent accepting any other device as I understand it. If there is a chain from post to post across the drive. That aint a gate specifically.
A guard shack..... cant be a guard inside the company business. It has to be a little shack in the driveway of the property.
I know of one specific business, a chemical company in south Texas. When you drive 150 yards into their driveway, there is a painted line on the driveway. You get out, go to the companies building, to a window where a guard sits and talk through the window. The guard is physically inside the companies building & you have to leave your truck & walk to the building and get checked in. There is no guard shack. Company does not accept that because it is not a free standing guard shack. You can't pull up the site on Google maps & see a guard shack. Since that's how a DOT auditor would confirm it, my company doesn't accept it. That doesn't qualify for yard move.
The company in question related to the topic here, has company employees inside the office for check in. Specifically says , all trucks & visitors, MUST check in... Its mandatory. Signs outside that say so. You have to fill out paperwork. Signs that say you & your truck are subject to search etc, etc. But that doesn't qualify for yard move, again, because there is no visible guard shack or gate or sign that specifically says private property.
I'm just trying to get some clarity on what FMCSA considers "a gate"... Private property (sign)... "guard Shack".
In my opinion, it ain't specific. It's a general term that would allow general, reasonable knowledge of either.
If there can be a blocked access at will, if there is a secure check-in location or a sign with reasonable expectation that it is private property.Last edited: Feb 16, 2024
austinmike and Thrasher28 Thank this. -
Just drive around in reverse it won't activate the elogs. Lol
lual, austinmike and Numb Thank this. -
As far as Yard Move. We can use it at our terminals and plants where we are loading/unloading. Not at truckstops though.
It's handy for the few days where I might get close on my driving hours.tarmadilo, austinmike and M22 rockcrusher Thank this. -
Sounds like you have an "anal retentive" safety dept.
Hatt91, austinmike and dngrous_dime Thank this. -
I use it for drop n hook. Dock moves for live loading/unloading
Hatt91, tarmadilo and austinmike Thank this. -
@gentleroger did post some good info but it didnt clear up the interpretation. I appreciate his input. I know we have a couple of guys like
@REO6205 that knows HOS who may be able to shed at least some additional reference on this subject.
I'm not disputing the safety guys but I just dont agree with their interpretation of the rule.austinmike and REO6205 Thank this. -
Does a gate arm count as gated? Or does it need to be more substantial? What if the gate is there, but unable to be closed? Our yard in GB has a gate that to my knowledge hasn't been closed since it was installed 14 years ago.
As to signage - most truck stops have a sign someplace (unless it got knocked down) declaring it 'private property'. Heck, I argued that just having a separate "truck entrance" sign made a truck stop eligible for yard move. While Google maps street view has gotten really good, there's no way I would use it to prove the non-existence of a sign.
I imagine that this will be like "Grammer day" in high school. Every Wednesday was supposed to be Grammer day, and we were supposed to bring in the Grammer book. First 3 weeks, it happened, then something came up and Grammer day got skipped. 9 weeks later we get yelled at for not having the Grammer books. Next week there was a "supplies check", but no Grammer lesson because of "Insert Invalid Reason Here", then we'd go another 9 weeks without hearing anything about it.
Basically, it will be a focus for a little bit and then they'll move on to something else for a while.wis bang, austinmike and Grumppy Thank this. -
Because knowing MY luck, that is exactly what would happen.roshea, austinmike and Grumppy Thank this.
Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds
Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.
Page 2 of 3