Discussion in 'Shippers & Receivers - Good or Bad' started by GEPPETTO425, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. GEPPETTO425

    GEPPETTO425 Bobtail Member

    Dec 30, 2013
    I just don't understand why warehouses use this inefficient system of pay by the hour lumpers just so they don't have to pay their benefits- and why aren't the trucking companies charging them more for making us sit????

    I was on time here at Safeway receiving in Tracy, CA
    They are just now unloading me, FOUR HOURS after checking in. Now it will be at least another TWO HOURS while they inventory my load.

    I think I’ll just go park in their lot for a few hours until my next load two blocks away at COSTCO, I know I’ll be in and out of there in less than an hour....
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  3. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

    Aug 28, 2011
    Henderson, NV & Orient
    Trucking companies keep part of the detention pay; they give you a cut of it.
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  4. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

    Mar 5, 2016
    White County, Arkansas

    6 hours detention for sitting and inventoring should be worth 150 a hour. Increasing to 250 a hour after 6 hours and again to 350 after 12th hour and again to 450 into the 18th hour.

    If your facility in shipping and receiving is SO ####TY that you cannot say you are part of trucking, wtf are you doing with that facility wasting all of our time and in many cases destroying the next loading appt time (Way togo #######... you sure a part of this great trucking industry in logistics...)

    ///This is a classic x1heavy Rant. Delivered short and sweet.
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  5. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    The warehouse doesn't pay the lumpers. The customer paying for the freight pays the lumpers and the warehouse keeps a portion. It's a wonder EVERY company in every field hasn't switched to this model of having other people directly pay for the labor they use to do the company's work.

    Trucking companies pay drivers by the mile. Wasting driver time is not important to most of them, except as a subject of conversation or driver complaints.
  6. buddyd157

    buddyd157 Road Train Member

    May 25, 2017
    New England area
    i'll put it to you this way, back years ago, we hauled cigarettes. floor to ceiling front to back. each case weighed about 35-40 pounds.

    my company paid us to touch freight by the thousand pounds. at $1.00 per thousand.

    so a 40,000 lbs load of cigs would gave would have paid me or my co-workers....$40.00..and take about 2-3 hours to at 3 hours, what did we earn..??? $13.33 per hour...B..S

    the company paid the lumpers anywhere from $100.00 to $150.00 for that entire trailer load.

    they worked thier butts off, and the lumper himself, never saw ALL that money, he had to pay his lead man a percentage.

    the warehouse at this place, got nothing.

    how it works in other warehouses i do not know, but would you really rather bust your hump, and be dog tired, oh yeah, and burn up your hours..???

    we went off duty (long before ELD's), and sometimes just take a nap (day cabs), or bring our own mini tv's.....

    you certainly were NOT the only truckload there, now were you..???
  7. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

    Mar 5, 2016
    White County, Arkansas
    Maybe Mack E6 can help me but we used to run Cigerettes down into Eastern Avenue. Now I recall Eastern as the Block on one end near the Harbor and if you followed Eastern Ave past the black school and two parks you will get to a major crossdock facility. That particular place serves very high end resturants in the area. You took your trailer, backed in and unloaded into a big pile in the middle. Everything counted as it come off your trailer I think a Strick and sometimes stoughton which really kicks me back in time... anyway.. In that pile of gaurded and protected smokes other trucks delivering to resturants grabbed 3 cases of Malboro 100's, 2 of kent, 3 of Menthol (I forget the band name, there is actually only one of that type) and several of lucky strikes in particular. and loaded that into their trailer. Deliver to the tavern or resturant.

    In those days we had the pre-banned vending machines where you can dump a 1.25 or so in quarters and pull a peg on what you want. Plop there is your smokes, have at it. I had my first cigerette at 7 when a drunken family member had me smoke it knowing the coughing that will result after. What they really wanted was for me to get green and throw up which would have been hilarious for them. But I took to smoking with no problems. (Not hard considering we grew up in a house with smoke to knee level in some rooms. Ive got a picture somewhere that has that special knee high clear air and then everything above smoke of all kinds with 50 more people adding to it.

    Anyway, that particular Crossdock operation on Eastern was very routine for me I'll have to see if I can find it on Google Earth, it's going to be quite a job because several major routes meet in that city line area just east of the crossdock. And projects on the north and west of it since then. Ugh. Anyone who knows B-more knows the Projects meant well, but are very tough. So I had that big blade on my belt and not a problem. Totally different time in those days.
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  8. buddyd157

    buddyd157 Road Train Member

    May 25, 2017
    New England area
    is this YOU...???

  9. REO6205

    REO6205 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

    Feb 15, 2014
    @GEPPETTO425 ...Safeway Tracy is famous for long unload times. Once in awhile you can get right in and out of there but it doesn't happen very often.
    We quit taking Safeway loads, mostly because of Tracy.
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  10. iceman32

    iceman32 Medium Load Member

    Sep 26, 2014
    It’s not the lumper, it’s the receiver. Usually, they will have 30 lumper bodies working. And 2-4people working for the receiver. One of them is the tagger, the other is the collector.

    Products that are not in the system have to be confirmed by the buyer. I think this is your 9-5 person. So if you showed up for a 6am delivery and they just started unloading you at 9:30am, it’s because the buyer has clocked in and confirmed your products.
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  11. Omega1

    Omega1 Heavy Load Member

    Nov 18, 2017
    Agree with all the above posts. It's a mess of a system, but the bottom line is money. Always track the money. What is the least expensive way to get the job done? Who benefits from using the least expensive way of getting the job done? Think about that for a few minutes.
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