major code prob w/ detroit

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  1. SHC

    SHC Spoiled Rotten Brat O/O

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    I honestly would ask your mechanic if he has an extra ECM around you can swap out to see if it works. I am almost positive you have a faulty ECM, but the only way to tell is to remove it and replace it and they are not cheap, so finding a used one to TRY would be best.

    Since you have already replaced the oil sensor and actually ran the truck with it unplugged but the code still comes up, and the fact it has so many random codes makes me believe this. But again, i have only had 1 Detroit truck, but I did run into the same problem and once I replaced the ECM (cost $1,800 at Inland Detroit) I never had a single problem with the truck again.
     
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  3. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    going to go at at again this morning. now for the stupid questions. checking the 5 v at the oil sensor do I unplug the clip going to the sensor & hook up tester to those terminals? and where is the turbo boost sensor? is that the module I replaced on manifold? the black sensor you refer to that has return wires going to back of the starter, is that also the module on the manifold? going to drive to freightliner dealer & talk to some one is person about bringing in truck monday. if I cannot fix this myself. however if they suggest I need all new sensors, I'll have to find someone else. i have been at that dealer before, they appear knowledgeable. will be back this afternoon with whatever news I find. many thanks.
     
  4. Heavyd

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    Check for your 5 volts at the intake manifold sensor, (turbo boost sensor, yes the black module in the intake manifold). That sensor is easier to get to. You will need a digital multimeter. Connect the black or negative lead of the meter to ground and just check all the pins on the sensor connector with the red lead one at a time. The key needs to be on. With the sensor unplugged you will cause a Check Engine Light, no worries. When you test for power be very very careful not to bend or damage any of the terminal inside the connector. Do not cram or shove the meter probe inside because you will spread the terminal apart and it won't contact the sensor lead when you plug it back in. One of those terminals will be your 5 volt. You should see something pretty close to 5 there.
     
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    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    O.K. SPARKZ nailed it. as far as my new problem of making things worse. turned out to be a bad oil temp sensor. I never knew it had one. I dont have a oil temp gauge. the sensor was original. I never noticed it. it was hidden under the bigger oil pressure sensor. I have a intl coe, so seing things are not that easy. but just as sparkz described, the high revs, then idle kicks down after 8 min with fan on & amber engine warning light. the new sensor I put in fixed that. as far as my original problem of losing power for a brief moment, I will not know about that until I drive next week. I dont see how what I did will fix that? so far new boost ,oil pressure,oil temp, sensors replaced. I got my mutimeter out but had no idea what dial to put in on. I understand the post about using the black for the ground & using the red for the 3 contacts on plug to sensor. but what do I put it on? acv dcv dca or many other choices. you guys have been extremely helpful. got folks looking for a used e.c.m. found a few for $99.00 & $199.00 unfortunately they are ddec2 & mine is a ddec3.
     
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  7. Sparkz

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    If you can find a loan ECM you can hook it up to try. Any S60 ECM that looks the same as the one you have will be ok to test run for a short time. An 11L engine will idle and free rev on a 14L ECM etc, but I wouldn't advise you try to drive the truck. You will probably get codes logged if it has different options to yours.

    The turbo boost sensor is the flat black plastic sensor bolted to the inlet manifold with two screws. Disconnect the plug and probe the front of the terminals for 5v with the key on. Be careful not to spread the terminals, or you will create more problems. Get two short pieces of auto cable and bare back the ends to expose the copper wires. Cut most of the copper strands back on one end of each wire leaving a few strands that can be inserted into the terminal. Connect the other end of the wires to your multimeter. Doing it this way removes the risk of spreading the terminals.

    You need to check for 5v at the sensor terminals as both supply(positive) and return(negative) go back to the ECM. Checking for 5v to chassis tests the supply, but not the return.

    The return wire has a join inside the Engine Sensor Harness. From memory this join is somewhere near the rear of the starter. You will need to open up the loom to find it. I have had a couple of looms with this problem, that had faults similar to you.
     
  8. Sparkz

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    You posted while I was writing reply to your previous post.

    Rotary switch to DCV 20.
    Black lead into COM, A of connector.
    Red lead into VnmA, C of connector.

    If I have A and C reversed the meter will just read -5.00volts, instead of 5.00 volts
     
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    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    did u receive my p.m. ?
     
  10. stranger

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    I think you have fixed your problem. Over temp of oil will derate the engine and show a check engine light. I would try a load before spending any more money.

    I wish I had never sold my '95 IH 9200 with an 11.1 in it.
     
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    Really? did not know it would derate if oil temp too high. only by sparkz advice, did I have a renewed confidence, that I was on my way to finding the source of my problem. when I went back sat to start back on my truck I started it up & it went to 900 rpm's. I just barely moved the oil temp sensor wire & the engine kicked off high idle. looked up to heaven & said thank you God & Sparkz.:biggrin_25514: :biggrin_2559:
     
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