Managing your HOS to avoid 34 hour reset?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by RedRover, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. Darius11

    Darius11 Bobtail Member

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    Running team, just think of running the 70 as quickly as possible, the truck at most will sit for 20 hours for restart of one of you. As long as the company keeps you busy, get there as quickly as possible.
     
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  3. Wooly Rhino

    Wooly Rhino Road Train Member

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    As a felon myself let me say a couple of things about logging. Hours of Service rules are not about punishing a driver. They are about protecting a driver. These rules were put in place by the government by government workers who are both trying to keep drivers from being overworked as well as keep the wages up. It was good intentions that have screwed this all up.

    In the private sector, 8 to 5 is common. That is 9 hours a day with a hour off for lunch. We get a half hour break so they figure 8.5 hours a day is the right amount of work for drivers. 8.5 X 8 = 68 Hours plus 8 x .25 for pretrips = 70. That is where the 70 hours in 8 day rule comes from.

    Now if you work more some days then others, you have to balance that out. You can drive up to 13.5 hours in a 24 hour day legally. If you then turn around and have a couple of 4 hour runs over the next two days it all balances out. But if you end up driving a lot in a short time frame, you deserve 34 hours off and they want you to have it. Take advantage of the time. Get out of your truck and live a life.

    There are companies that want to run you to death out there who want you to fudge the rules. If you are trying to get around the Hours of Service rules you are only hurting yourself.

    A company that pays 28 cpm to their folks can undercut companies that pay 45 cpm. That is because their labor cost are less. If the 28 cpm company could run that driver more hours then they have an even greater advantage and the price of labor (your wages) go down. We need to keep them up. Follow the HOS rules and use them to your advantage.

    Lets say you work for an evil company. Lets call them K&C. From a mythical town, oh, I don't know, lets call it East Sioux City, Nebraska. You are asleep in the sleeper and they call and wake you up 7 hours and 58 minutes into your break and tell you to get moving. Do you do it? Legally no. Legally you are not on a split sleeper break with only 2 hours in. You can't use it as an 8 because they disturbed you. Forget about 10.

    Now should you everytime do that. Maybe not. But it is your right and it is the only thing that will stop bad behavior.
     
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  4. RedRover

    RedRover Road Train Member

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    Right now I can barely afford to feed myself, let lone bus myself home from orientation when they kick me out. When I was up front with Swift and Prime, not only did their contact with me cease, but I couldn't get them on the phone or email to begin with. I'm presently on hold wih CR England for the last 45 minutes as of this post.

    My charge? Possession with intent to distribute a... Ready for this? Look alike substance. That's a C felony in Illinois. Thing is it wasn't even mine. The dude in the car with me tossed it at my feet when I was stopped for being white in a high crime area. Testing concluded that whatever the hell it was, it wasn't drugs. Anyway, my car, my responsibility.

    I was 19 with no record and naive enough to believe that they would get the 3 consecutive 7 year sentences(21 years) that they were throwing at me. Pled guilty with no attorney after 6 weeks sitting in the Cook County holiday inn in Chicago. 18 months supervised probation with a 7 year backup. That was 14 years ago in December. When the company owned schools see "intent to distribute" they immediately lose their minds. They don't see the weekly UA that I passed for 18 months, in addition to 6 random hair follicle tests, in addition to thousands in fines paid. They only see that charge.

    I also actually picked up a misdemeanor charge for disorderly conduct, when a cop said he saw me urinating on a wall outside a bar, when in fact I was cutting through a very narrow alleyway to get to my car after securing my stepdads laundromat after the alarm went off. It was so narrow that I had to pass through sideways and face the wall. It was also narrow enough that if I pissed on that wall, I would be covered in piss.

    And last but certainly not least my Kansas DL was suspended for several years due to moving to Portland, Oregon and selling my car, thus canceling my insurance, and they automatically suspend your license. No big deal, I'm taking the train and riding a bike to work anyway right? Wrong.

    I visited family, not knowing my license was suspended and was pulled over at random and without cause, asked for my papers and license. Gave them my Kansas DL and was arrested for driving while suspended.

    This was all years and years in the past, with the most recent being allegedly urinating on a wall. I didn't, but I was still charged and convicted for disorderly conduct.

    So even Swift act like I am some serial pedophile or murderer. They act like I got a DUI in one of their trucks and I'm calling collect from prison or a rehab.

    So then you consider that I also have the same issue with every employer and my work history is spotty. Lots of "self employed".
     
  5. RedRover

    RedRover Road Train Member

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    I don't get paid for a 34 hour reset. The only way I can justify being away from my woman and children is that someone is paying me to do so. I don't get paid if the wheels aren't turning and right now I am unemployable outside of Carolina Cargo, who pay no layover, detention or anything but straight 10cpm. It's what I can do right now. So dead ### tired or not, I need to find a way to keep the rubber on the road and turning.

    I already work 7 days a week, 14 hour days, most every day. Hard manual labor. Driving for 11 hours I would consider a vacation. No offense intended at all, because I fully realize this is a noble profession with many hard working individuals(mostly only the drivers lol)
     
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  6. alghazi

    alghazi Road Train Member

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    You are obviously new to trucking. Lol
     
  7. ChaoSS

    ChaoSS Road Train Member

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    You also don't get paid to sit on your butt for hours every single day because you want to only work 8.5 hours a day so you don't have to take a 34 hour reset.

    You only get 70 hours. If you can use that in 6 days, reset the 7th, you can get moving again. Or you can use that 70 hours over 8 days and never reset. You do the math. You asked the question, if you don't want the correct answer, why do you ask?
     
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  8. Florida Playboy

    Florida Playboy Road Train Member

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    At 10 cpm even if the truck runs 6k miles a week that's only $600 for you. I am sure you make more than that working those crazy hours and you're close to home and family. Even if you make it a year at Carolina Cargo what makes you think a better paying company will hire you with the felony?
     
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  9. RedRover

    RedRover Road Train Member

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    I am asking how I can go about driving in such a way that the only time I spend sitting are my 10 hour and 30 minute breaks, unless it is the fault of a shipper, dm, dispatcher etc... Insomuch as I am in control of my movement, I want to keep moving every day.
     
  10. alghazi

    alghazi Road Train Member

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    After he does the year at CC, would that give him enough experience to get hired at a smaller company?

    A smaller company might overlook the felony, but couldn't hire him right now because he has no experience. After he gets a year of experience, would that open the door to some of those smaller companies?

    I'm not arguing with your point--Just wondering if this might be justification for eating #### at CC for a year.
     
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  11. driverdriver

    driverdriver Road Train Member

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    I can tell you I've made more money by utilizing 34 so many times that even if I took my shoes off I couldn't keep count
     
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