Microwave power question

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  1. animalangel1

    animalangel1 Bobtail Member

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    My husband has one of those microwaves from TA that his sister bought for him for $249 or something like that... we have 2 ATV batteries wired in series to power it and it works GREAT! Problem is - he can't make his popcorn for some reason. He loves popcorn every night. He tried it - and after 15 minutes he could hear the butter sizzling but it wasn't enough to pop more than 3 or 4 kernels. His company doesn't "allow" inverters and they don't even want to know that you have any electronic devices in the trucks.... so we're kind of on our own here. Just can't make his popcorn. Ideas?? Suggestions?? Thanks!
     
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  3. Mark Kling

    Mark Kling Technology Contributor

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    Batteries in series - you add voltage, current stays the same

    Batteries in parallel - you add current, voltage stays the same.

    So, if the batteries are 12vdc, you now just have put 24vdc onto a 12vdc microwave.

    You probably blew the microwave power supply.

    Mark
     
  4. animalangel1

    animalangel1 Bobtail Member

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    That would affect just the popcorn??? Everything else is cooking fantastic on it!!!!! He loves it. He can plug it into a cigarette lighter but it only stays on for 30 seconds and no longer - for ANYTHING! How else can we power it???
     
  5. ZippyNH

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    ....that Microwave is pretty low powered...With othere stuff it just takes a bit longer, but since a "specific temperature" needs to be reached in the oil for the kernels to pop, I bey you just don't have the power to do it....it is simply not getting the bag hot enough (melts the butter/oil, but not hot enough to make the kernals "POP"....since you say it is cooking other stuff, why don't you try switching to "snack" sized bags....they are a bit smaller..so might pop better with less power...if that does not work, you might need to buy bags of popcorn. Make sure the wiring you guys have done to your "set-up" is BIG and BEEFY"...you are pulling like 20 amps..so no skinny wires for DC...AC, maybe, but with DC, THICK IS BETTER!!
    If I remember right, that microwave has like 2 or 3 power outputs depending on the power source...
    Not sure if the below stuff is the same one...but it shows 600Watts/235 watts...similar to an "easy-bake" oven (with a BIG BULB!).
    Since you are using a battery, you should be getting more power, just like if it was connected to the trucks battery....but unless the battery is reading close to 14V (a fully charged 12V battery will be at 13.5-14V) you are likely getting less...heck some folks with inverters need to have the truck running to run a full 1500W off an 1500W inverter!! With the truck off, they seem to be limited to 1300 watts..most likly due to the slightly lower voltage.

     
  6. ZippyNH

    ZippyNH Medium Load Member

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    Since an ATV is a STARTING battery, they DO NOT have the ability to put out much power for very long, and will generally not recover from a deep discharge well....you need to DEEP CYCLE battery or a Dual Purpose battery if you are going to power a device..a starting battery will not last very long before it fails...either internally, or simple from lack of output.
    check the battery set-up with a voltmeter to be sure they are wired right...some ATV's use 6 volt batterys...
     
  7. DJ4wd

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    You could get him a marine deep cycle, and try it.
     
  8. animalangel1

    animalangel1 Bobtail Member

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    Wow, thanks everybody. Yes, our first choice IS a deep cycle battery but we just don't have the money for one right now. Currently - I am making more on unemployment than he is away from home 3 weeks at a rip. It's just not right......

    It IS the Wavebox 12V microwave!!! That's the one!!!

    The microwave DOES have the 3 types of power hook-ups to it. The plug in the cigarette lighter is useless. The nuker only stays on for about 15 seconds and then goes off. Can't cook anything at all. He doesn't want to stand outside and try to cook while directly hooked to the truck battery with the clamps- and I don't blame him, especially this time of year. It's REALLY cold out!! And of course, there is no electric in the truck so he would again have to use an inverter off the cigarette lighter. So that is why we decided to try the ATV batteries in series. The good news is he can cook everything just fine off those except his popcorn. I will try to find the single serving snack sized bags so he can try those....I'd forgotten about them.

    The wiring between the two ATV batteries is a pretty thick - about a 6 - 8 inch connector that we bought from WalMart for just under $4. It has a black rubber hose type cover on it - can't remember the gauge but they were on a rack right next to the ATV batteries in the store. I'd say a fair guess is that it's about the size around of a dime or pretty close to it. We bought him a package of various sized metal lock washers to help make the connection tight not knowing exactly what size he would need. Then he uses the clamps from the microwave to hook up. He does have the batteries on a trickle charger when not in use.

    Does anybody know where I might find deep cycle marine batteries here in icy NY in winter???? And what a "good/fair" price for one might be???

    Thanks for your help everybody!! You guys are great!
     
  9. ZippyNH

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    IMO rather than try to rig up a crazy and $$ system, just connect to the truck batts with a pair of alligator clamps when he wants to pop some popcorn...and just run the cable into the cab under the door...not perfect, but it buys TONS of popcorn for the $50-75 it saves you for a bit of inconvenience.
    I'm not sure a trickle charger will recharge a depleted ATV battery in 11 hours of driving...but if it is a 12 volt ATV bat, then a simple set of jumper cables will let him "top it off" at the end of the day...the longer trickle charge is much easier on a battery, and will let it last longer...but getting it to 100% full before use will also help.
    It sounds like the battery is wired up OK (connection wise) (if you decide to do it, a small trolling battery from Walmart is type of deeper cycle battery...a dual purpose starting/trolling battery is not as good)....IF you look around the walmart site online, you can have it shipped to the store for pick-up if it is not locally stocked. I'm not sure this is the best way to go, but it might work..it will have more longevity and output than the ATV battery's...the main issue you will have is trying to keep it charged...and the weight....Just tossing on a coat to Zap a bag of POPCORN is not too much of a hardship! Heck if it saved me some $$, I think it makes sense when $$ is tight.

    Sorry to hear it is tough going to start...But things should get better! With experience comes better pay, and better company's if the "starter" place does not work well...just get him to stick it out for the first year or so!:biggrin_255:
    That the view I'm taking anyway! Crappy economy makes us all make hard choices....

    The "lunchbox cookers" that use 12V seem to get pretty good reviews (you can use them as a slow cooker or steamer)...I think I might give one of those a shot...it sounds like those little microwaves are kinda slow and troublesome for the $$ spent unless you are allowed to have an inverter or can wire directly to the battery!
     
  10. ZippyNH

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    http://www.iowa80.com/DirectionsWEB/webcart_productDisplay.php?itemid=13104&itemdesc=Pot+%27n%27+Popper

    12-volt electric suacepan/popper. Can heat a 22 oz. can of soup or stew, boil hot dogs and even pops popcorn.
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    Pot 'n' Popper

    Don't have one, but might be more flexible way to spend the $$ rather than a battery. Check around for the best price!

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    12 Volt Portable Sauce Pan/Popper

    Item Number: 35692
    LET'S GET COOK'N Heats canned or packaged soups or stews, steams hotdogs, and pops popcorn. Compact size goes anywhere. 150 watts/ 13 amps.

    From the same place..a bit cheaper...about 25$

     
  11. animalangel1

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    Thanks Zippy! I'll have him look over this thread the next time he's home and see which way he wants to go. As for the microwave - he really loves it. Sure was a bit pricey but he's cooking and loving it!!! I make him stuff at home and then freeze some so that as he runs out of food the other stuff is thawing so he can keep having home-cooked meals.

    He intends to stick with the "starter company" until his school loan is paid off - then on to hopefully someone better.
     
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