my logbook violation...question

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by ziggystyles, Mar 1, 2008.

  1. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    All the companies I have worked for provided logbooks that contained the full address. Street address, city, state and zip code.
     
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  3. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Yeap that's what I am thinking :biggrin_25525:
     
  4. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    I think you've misread or I wasn't clear enough or you haven't been following the whole thread. I'm the one that started the question about the main office address. I've always said it should be the whole address while other drivers say city and state are good enough.
     
  5. ziggystyles

    ziggystyles Road Train Member

    Well I figure that if the company that trained me that has 19,000 drivers and decades of experience tells me to just put the city and state of the office Im working out of, thats what I do.

    On my logs, I dont even have a line for 'main office address' instead, I have a line for Home Operating Center. Schneider does have something automatically printed that says Schneider national Carriers, Green Bay, WI. Then under that it says that the records are maintained in Green Bay.

    Another thing too is that...the exact address isn't really needed. Because, with Schneider...if I don't know the address, I can simply put an envelope in the mail and write on there "Schneider national, Green Bay, WI" and it will get there. Usually, you don't need the exact address for companies or organizations that get tons of mail.
     
  6. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    That still doesn't make it legal. Do you think Schneider is going to clear your record if you get a ticket?
     
  7. drive55cat

    drive55cat Medium Load Member

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    I think your 1st response is correct.
     
  8. ziggystyles

    ziggystyles Road Train Member

    lol what defines making it legal? Pulling a line out of the FMSCAs book where it says you need to put the address down does not help much when the rule in itself does not specify exactly what an address is.
    The post office will deliver mail to:
    Bob Hupendorph
    1600 Penn. Ave
    Wash. DC (zip code)
    USA
    Western Hemisphere
    Planet Earth
    Milkey Way
    Mind of God.

    As well as
    Bob Hupendorph
    The White House

    you cant sit there and tell me I will get a ticket when the FMCSA does not specify what an address is.
    Schneider would be royally Fubared if they were telling their drivers all the wrong things. We were told to write own our OC's in the OC area...and the other lines I mentioned above are also on there. If that did get Schneider in trouble, or even its drivers...Youd think we would be hearing about it like wildfire since they probably have a ton of inspections each day at DOT stations.
     
  9. AfterShock

    AfterShock Road Train Member

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    When I drove OTR for Schneider, back in the 1980's and early 1990's, they listed their Main Office Address as: "Safety Records Maintained In Green Bay, WI."

    The "Name Of Carrier Or Carriers" indicated:
    "Schneider National Carriers, Inc." followed by the terminal, which varied from Los Angeles, CA., Dallas, TX., and Fort Wayne, IN." to name a few -- depending on where I picked up my log books at the time.

    For "Home Terminal Address", we were instructed to put "Santa Fe Springs, CA., (or Montebello, CA., when the offices were moved.)

    The front covers of all log books listed "Schneider National Carriers, Inc.
    And a PO Box in Green Bay, WI.

    Today, I agree, it would probably be better to list a complete address just to avoid any potential problem some DOT officer might find with an incomplete address.

    The last company I drove for listed a complete address of the main terminal in KC, MO. Although I drove out of their SoCal terminal and was instructed to use California time when logging.

    I once had an Oregon (K. Falls) scalemaster ask if I could "levitate" -- so the more information provided still doesn't guarantee you won't be asked stupid questions. A badge means power -- power corrupts little men with big badges -- who couldn't read a log book if their life depended on it. Even when you explain it to them, they think you're pulling the wool over their eyes, and write you up anyway, -- just to be "safe", no doubt. :biggrin_25523:
     
  10. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    What makes it legal is what the inspector decides to write that day. You should know that. I never said you'd get a ticket. I've only said what I found out when I called the FMCSA. And on that day with that particular person he said the whole address is required just like it says. When I told him there are many drivers just using the city and state his reply was "why not be save than sorry". And Schneider is far from being the leader in what is right. I've seen companies go years with a policy and then get hit by an inspection.

    It's only common sense to know what an address is so I'm sure that's why the FMCSA didn't feel it necessary to explain it. How many times do you send off your bills or personal mail with just the city and state on it. I rest my case.
     
  11. drive55cat

    drive55cat Medium Load Member

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    If you read that little book while you are waiting around you could probably answer your own question, sorry, I don't have it either. I feel pretty secure in the fact that if you can pull out your book right to the page in question and show it to the officer, you may be able to avoid the citation all together. It's not a gaurentee but I have had some success in the past.. I used to read that thing all the time during my first year.
     
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