My new trailer

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  1. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Heavy Load Member

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    My equipment is rated for 38k, I might be a little over the drive axle ratings but not over tire ratings. DOT doesn't seem to mind and didn't stop me on the scales. I dont really like being that heavy.

    I'm doubtful ill be able to fit the 4 cars but still going to try. Would give me a nice boost on the week's gross.
     
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  3. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Road Train Member

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    Right, I was thinking you had 10k axles back there..

    6000+9850+10000+10000=35,850..

    I was just messing with you anyway. I scaled 11,200 on the drive once on my 9350lb dodge rear.. :eek: Crossed scales from Macon, GA - Dallas, TX.

    59' on 56'.? I think you can do it. Squeeze em in tight, 1 foot over hang the front, 2 feet rear. You got this.!! :thumbright:

    I ain't much of a car hauler, this was probably circa 2016.?
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  4. Brandonpdx

    Brandonpdx Road Train Member

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    Ouch. You got an auxiliary tank?
     
  5. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Heavy Load Member

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    Yup, 10k axles on the trailer but trailer is rated for 24k with 14 plys. Weigh stations dont seem to stop you for over axle ratings, just gross and then worse case check the tire ratings. Maybe they don't know that the ram's drive axle is 9850?
     
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  6. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Road Train Member

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    That's exactly the way I see. There are so many different small trucks running around nowadays, they can't possibly remember each different manufacturer's axle ratings. + they change by model year.

    For example my 2012 ram pickup at a glance could easily be mistaken for a 2013 pickup. Underneath, very different trucks. Now yes, those of us familiar with them could spot the different badging, & grill immediately. Same AAM 1150 (except Aisin trans dually had 11.8 ring gear) rear end, but mine was 9350lb, '13 was 9750lb. AAM rates it at 4950kg, roughly 10,900lbs.

    I think most DOT that don't have a clue about pickups just look for the basics when running you across the platform..

    Steer under 12k lb
    single drive under 20k lb
    tandem trailer under 34k lb.
    They see this, & quota of weekly inspections met, green light. They see a improperly secured load, mailbox letters, or something that triggers them, pull up for inspection..

    The few times I was inspected at the coops, my axles were all under their ratings. I did have my spread measured once, to check it had the required 40" minimum hub to hub spacing as it was over 20k, probably around 22k lbs. A tandem with under 40" spread is considered a single axle, & not to be loaded over 20k lb. Lots of 7k, 8k & 9k tandem axles will only have a 33"-36" spread..

    Majority of my inspections were roadside, no scale present. They'd compair BOL weights with registered, & truck trailer stickers. So if I had 10k on the drive, they never knew & I was getting a clean bill of health..

    There is almost no way around it with a 3500. Sometimes the drive is going to be slightly over the RAM, GM, Ford rating. Luckily, it's a heavier axle than they give credit for, so occasionally being 10,200-10,900lb back there won't kill it. I think they are derated because of the spring pack, especially in the pickup. Mine had 3 leaves, compared to maybe 8 or so in your C&C. Your probably fine, I should have added air assist..

    Either way, I think you are doing a great job with clean equipment, & keeping in compliance. Never purposely load it heavy, but few hundred lbs here or there, but under gross won't kill you. I like to preach not to overload any ratings, but some times its unavoidable. I'd rather see 10,700lbs on the drive with proper wheel & tire ratings, than an under rated wagon sagging under too heavy a load for it..
     
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  7. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Heavy Load Member

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    My truck has the 12.0" Dual Wheel Rear Axle on the drive so I guess its the 1180 AAM. Wonder what the rating is on those, not finding it on google. I made sure to get the full towing package that means 4.10 gears, 205MM HD Front Axle, heavy duty cooling, Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler and Dual Transmission Oil Cooler according to the equipment listing.

    I scaled my truck before I picked up the trailer. Filled it up with 74gal fuel/def all my tools, kit, 3 month sitting at home weight gain and I scaled 10140. 5520 front, 4620 rear.
    After I picked up the trailer and burned a few gallons of fuel I scaled 18480. 5420 front, 6720 rear and 6340 trailer. Id say 18600 if I would have topped off my fuel tank.
     
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  8. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Road Train Member

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    The high output got the AAM 1180starting in 2013 pickups with GCWR over 30k. So the Aisin pickup with 3.73, or 4.10. 3.42 Aisin still got 1150's. It's the same axle beam as the 1150, just a larger ring gear in the diff. The carrying capacity of the axle itself didn't change from 4950kg's, but it helped to raise the GCWR past the 30,000lb mark..

    Now this goes to show I'm a few years behind the times class 3-5 wise now. I had no clue about this 12" AAM now found in Rams. Can't find any spec's on it, or an actual designation. (Such as Dana 80 or AAM 1150) My guess is they just stuff a larger diameter ring & pinion in the same beam again to support the higher GCWR again. They still are 1000lbs off the 4950kg or ~10,900 AAM rates the 1150 beam..

    I also didn't realize 2019 C&C got a power bump from 325hp 750tq to 360hp 800tq. Nice..

    Good God man, that truck is a pig!!
    This is what my '12 Cummins weighed bobtail. Me, girlfriend, 75lb American bulldog, 48qt igloo, clothes, dog food/supply's, toolbox..

    Then all the same with my 39' Loadmax. (Built a foot short to stay under 65'). You do have 39 gals more fuel than me, so that 275lbs. But dang!!

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  9. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Heavy Load Member

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    Yes... yes she is. The all steel upfit isn't helping either. I dunno if going to aluminum would have helped much either. Apart from removing one of the 2 fuel tanks I dunno how else to trim the weight on the truck.
    I wanted to fit a generator and AC to the truck but I dont want to add any more weight.
     
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    singlescrewshaker Road Train Member

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    I hear ya. I dread the heat of the summer. I have a engine that can survive idling at night, but still hate too. Thinking about spending the coin on one of the Zero Breeze mini ac deals. Gotta be better than just using my 12volt tornado fan.. LoL
     
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  11. Explorerspl

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    AAM told me 11,350 is what they rated it at.

    The 11.5 is rated at 10,912lbs.

    The 11.8 is the same axle/bearings with a bigger ring gear for more torque.
     
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