My trainer at Swift

Coastie, Sorry buddy but your 14 hour clock does NOT stop with a 2 hour break. Whoever told you this is WRONG. If you in fact believe this then you are sadly misinformed and I recommend you go speak to your safety department and ask for some retraining. The ONLY way to stop the 14 hour clock is with 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper. Period.

As for stopping in the middle of the day you should now realize (based on your first error of believing the 14 hour clock stopped) that you are in fact under the gun to complete your 11 hours of driving within the 14 hour rule, to maximize your earning potential.

You are obviously misinformed and misguided at the least. The rules were in fact changed and you need to bone up a bit before giving out INCORRECT INFORMATION.

To moderators please strike coasties references to 2 hours stopping the 14 hour clock. This is misinformation and has no place in this forum or any forum for that matter. Please stick to the facts.

 

You seem quite sure of yourself(even to the point of asking a moderator to strike another members statement because you PERCIEVE it to be inaccurate...???). The fact is that YOU are wrong and Coastie is correct. If one were to take a minimum of 2 hrs either off duty or in the sleeper, that time will extend the 14 hour clock by the same amount of time as the break taken. The information you are spreading may be your companies policy, but it is not the DOT requirement.

If you don't believe me(And why should you?I've only been through 3 DOT compliance reviews in the last 5 years or so.), then ask then resident log expert on this forum(LogsRus). But then again, maybe her and I will both need "re-trained".

 

My son is with his Trainer at Prime right now and he tells me his trainer is a real hardazz at times but he said he is a great trainer and wouldn't trade him for nothing. Much rather have a drill seargent for a trianer versus a wimp who doesn't know crap!

 

I am not sure how I can get you guys to realize the fmcsa website is outdated. I was accused of being a spammer when I posted my resource material. Suffice it to say if you have a newer federal motor carrier safety regualtions pocketbook you can read for yourself in 395.1 subsection c.
LogsRus seems to be the go to person for clarification here so rather than argue any further (and take the chance of being banned again) I will leave it to her. I sure hope her info is as current as mine.

 

What you can do is stop for 2 hours and then stop # your 14 hour clock (or before) and when your 10 is due, only take 8 hours in the SLEEPER. Then your 14 hour will reset from the end of the 2 hour break (count over 14 hours) and then count over 8 hours from that time and that's your finale 14 hour window.
Visit my explination on split breaking under teh regulations forumn and it's under the sticky threads (first link I do believe).

I am going to send you a private message so you do come back to this thread because I don't want you finding out you are wrong the hard way.


Note example 2: The driver did not DRIVE passed the 14 hour (being midnight), however he can be on line 4 passed the 14th hour so he is good (the 2 hour break did not extend the 14. So he took an 8 hour sleeper break and now the 14 will reset from the end of the previous break. And so on and on and on. It will reset once you complete the 2nd break.

Quick explination only here.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/hos-logbook-examples.htm

 

The fmcsa website is not outdated. It is current if you look on the front page and click on any of the links below the HOS reference material & to the right of that. Those who disagree with me, please let me know so I can debate the facts with ya

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/HOS-2005.htm

The last change to the HOS was 10-1-2005 and the only thing that changed was split breaking. Many drivers believe on their 10 hour consecutive break you have to spend 8 hours of that in the sleeper. Well I am here to tell you that's not true! If you take 10 consecutive hours off, you can do it 1 of 3 ways anytime you want. 1)10 hours in the sleeper (or more) 2). 10 hours off duty. 3) a combination of lines 1 & 2 for 10 consecutive hours. None of the breaks should involve any work/fuel,loading,scaling etc.

When split breaking.
The 8 hour break must be in the sleeper
The 2 hour break can be just like I explained on the 10 hour consecutive break's above. Anyway you want it just no work.

The 8 hours in the sleeper (or longer) will extend the 14 hour clock by the # of hours in the sleeper
The 2 hour break (or longer) will not EXTEND the 14 hour clock.

 

Ok I accept the regs listed at fmcsa website are current due to the appeals court stay of changing them until 12/27/07.

I am however pleased that we are in agreement regarding extending the 14 hour rule. Coasties response earlier in the web was based on the 1939 regs. Under those regs drivers could in fact stop anytime they wanted to and it did not count against them. Too bad fmcsa screwed this up and put every one under the gun. Again thankyou Logsrus for setting the record straight. Sorry for Hijacking this thread but it was important to be sure everyone understands the regs so as not to find themselves in trouble with the dot, fined, and placed out of service.

 

Actually the rule prior to 10-1-2005 was a 2 hour break will extend the 14 hour. Starting 10-1-2005 they changed it.

The regulations may change however they are not changing split breaking at that time

 

Jlkklj777; I apologize for the demeaning comments that I made to you in this post. Thank you to LogsRus for setting the record straight in this matter. I was so confident that I was right because I had just gone through a compliance review this past Feb. and passed with a Satisfactory rating. All of my drivers including myself have been logging in the manner that I previously stated to be correct(which has since been debunked) and nothing was said by the dot auditor. Maybe he just wasn't looking close huh?