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Discussion in 'Motor Carrier Questions - The Inside Scoop' started by ruudhompsor, Jun 14, 2024.

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drivingmissdaisy said: ↑

Yea that gets complicated to explain. Just explaining it as a window is much easier.
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It's relevant to this discussion because it's totally fine to go straight from driving to your other gig.

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Jamie01 said: ↑

It's relevant to this discussion because it's totally fine to go straight from driving to your other gig.
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But he didn't mention logging his "other gig" as on duty time, which is important.

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So would a gambler have to log on-duty at the casino?

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So would a gambler have to log on-duty at the casino?
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Not if he’s losing. Once he wins, he’s being compensated for his time. Lol!!!

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Rideandrepair said: ↑

Not if he’s losing. Once he wins, he’s being compensated for his time. Lol!!!
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Same as a trader.

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Knucklehead said: ↑

Same as a trader.
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Wouldn’t worry much about it.

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The_vett said: ↑

This brings up an interesting question.
According to HOS a Driver is not allowed to "work" any more than 14 hour a day? Or is it 11 hrs? I am not familiar with HOS , and I do not understand all of the to me complicated workings of , two clocks , 14 hrs, 10 hr break, 34 hr reset , whatever a reset is, split sleeping, time to get to work , time to get home, NONE of it do i understand.
My questions are these , Do whoever controls the HOS OWN the Truck Driver? HOS and other PTB seem to regulate a drivers hours 24/24. which adds up to a persons life. Not job but life. They dedicate themselves , they should be raking in a whole lot more money. A job runs a lot of our life, for the Truck Driver it runs his whole life.

Something I would like to add is it has been proven that Saturday is the most crashes and fatalities in the USA. It is no coincidence that the LEAST amount of Truck Drivers are on the road on Saturday.
Another large fact is when I look up crash stats , the always say down since HOS, (even then super small percent) however they use they use the covid years to be down (when regular people were not on the road), but MANY TRUCK DRIVERS WERE. That tells nothing about HOS , it says much about the non professional driver. Truck Drivers literally make our highways, roads, streets, safer .

Forgive my mistakes, I don't know a whole lot of things but I know what I know if you know what I mean.
Thank You Drivers one and all.
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Surprised nobody responded to this.

As a truck driver, you are not allowed to be on duty more than 14 hours in a day. On duty can be driving, pre trips, fueling the truck, any work that you do for the motor carrier. However, in that 14 hour "window" you can't drive more than 11 hours in total. In that 11 hours, you can't drive more than 8 at one time without taking at least a 30 minute break. This is to prevent a driver from driving 11 hours without stopping, which would, theoretically, be dangerous because he'd be fatigued. The 14 hour window is to prevent a driver who starts driving at 2am to still be driving at 11pm after he'd been up 21 hours. All of these "clocks" are there to try to prevent drivers from driving without proper rest or breaks.

A 34 hour reset is a 34 hour period, where the driver is totally off duty and relieved of all work, and after that 34 hour period is up he gets ALL of his drive time back, a full 70 hours for the week, 14 for the day, 11 for the drive and 8 for the break. Split sleeper is where you split your 10 hour rest break into two pieces. 7hrs and 3hrs or 8hrs and 2 hrs, actually 9 hours and 1 hour I think works too.

Nobody but the driver controls his HOS. He is responsible for accurately recording what he does and when he does it. Nobody owns the truck driver in this regard. But yes, being a truck driver ALL 24 hours of every day must be accounted for. Even for home time. They are logged as "off duty", but they are logged. The DOT does not want ONE hour where you can't tell him or her exactly what you were doing and where. Even if the answer was "I was on home time." That's fine, but that's an actual answer. You don't get much privacy as a truck driver. It's just part of the job.
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Not what the law says. A driver can "work" 24 hours a day, they can be "on duty" 24 hours a day. There is no restriction on that. They just cant drive a CMV in violation of the HOS rules. Nothing says you cant work the dock or anything else the company wants you to do. And even at that, there is no restriction on driving either, as long as you never leave the yard. You can drive a spotter 24 hours a day also (for example), as long as you never touch the street.

Also, there are exceptions for oil rigs and farmers. And Alaska has their own HOS rules that do not follow the FMCSA for the rest of us in the lower 48.

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Knightcrawler said: ↑

Not what the law says. A driver can "work" 24 hours a day, they can be "on duty" 24 hours a day. There is no restriction on that. They just cant drive a CMV in violation of the HOS rules. Nothing says you cant work the dock or anything else the company wants you to do. And even at that, there is no restriction on driving either, as long as you never leave the yard. You can drive a spotter 24 hours a day also (for example), as long as you never touch the street.

Also, there are exceptions for oil rigs and farmers. And Alaska has their own HOS rules that do not follow the FMCSA for the rest of us in the lower 48.
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If you are on duty more than 14 hours in a day, you will be in violation if you attempt to move your truck. That would be why I specified "as a truck driver." Not as a dock worker, or anything else.

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drivingmissdaisy said: ↑

If you are on duty more than 14 hours in a day, you will be in violation if you attempt to move your truck. That would be why I specified "as a truck driver." Not as a dock worker, or anything else.

I am right.

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But you are wrong, by YOUR defination. There is no restriction on moving a truck around the yard >14 hours. There is no restriction on moving your truck on PC >14 hours.... If you want to be nit picky, you are STILL wrong

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And if that doesnt work, there is always the weather exception...

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